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re: 75 year old man pushed to the ground by police
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:55 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:55 am to upgrayedd
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These weren't cops going about their daily routine and walking their beat.
Key word here being "beat." Seems like these guys are just itching to hurt people, which is the fricking problem with the police in this country.
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Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:56 am to El Mattadorr
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Key word here being "beat."
Perhaps you should research the origins of that term
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:56 am to wildtigercat93
quote:lol fricking pathetic
ongrats on doing less than the bare minimum of human decency I guess?
radioing for EMT a second after an incident is the bare minimum now
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:56 am to upgrayedd
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What the frick does that even matter?
I don't know, but you decided to add that to your post, I assume to make your risk assessment argument more valid.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:56 am to wildtigercat93
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No it’s a fact. Their official report and their official statement from the office about the riots that day before the video came out stated that the man tripped and fell. And with no witnesses or video evidence and 100 cops who are gonna back the blue, the cops would’ve gotten off without punishment
if true. that's a bad look and their should be consequences for all involved in the cover up. i'm not protecting these moron police officers, i'm simply arguing that the points on the subject are speculative bullshite.
but you can't make a sweeping generalizations that this is how it plays out every time.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:57 am to upgrayedd
I’m not always difficult.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:57 am to Logician
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you said very confidently there was no riot in the area and no protestors nearby.
do you see a riot in the video? or other protesters in the immediate vicinity?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:57 am to Logician
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radioing for EMT a second after an incident is the bare minimum now
Yeah pretty much. Especially when you follow it up by lying about what happened
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:58 am to upgrayedd
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No, I'm saying that since there's no way of knowing what's going through the minds of every single cop out there, I'm going to assume their judgement may be clouded by the potentially clouded situation they're dealing with.
Do you know how we can discern what is going through the minds of people? You say there's no way of knowing what's going through their minds, and then in literally the next part of the sentence, make an assumption about their judgment being clouded.
Since none of us were there, there are reasonable things we can assume, and there are unreasonable things we can assume and there are reasonable things we can assume. We can assume, from the evidence on hand, that there was no riot happening in that particular moment, or that there was even a line that protesters (and media) needed to stay behind, by virtue of the fact the old man was walking freely and that this event was being filmed. Since he's holding a helmet, we can possibly infer that there was something going on before this that resulted in an officer losing his helmet, and we can possibly infer that these officers may have been late arrivers, given they are moving together toward what I assume are protesters.
There is no reasonable basis to assume that their judgment is clouded, and if their judgment gets clouded so easily, then why do they have the powers that they do?
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Again, I think you're bringing an ideological view to this that doesn't assess what's really going on. I've based this on what I've seen, not how I think these cops should conduct themselves. In fact, I'm assuming the worst of them. Whether that's right or wrong is a different argument. I'm just saying I would go into that exact situation knowing that me getting clocked is a decent possibility.
Everyone brings their ideology to discussions. You are doing the same. And if your assessment takes them at their worst, then we all should be protesting.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:58 am to Salmon
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I don't know, but you decided to add that to your post, I assume to make your risk assessment argument more valid.
Whether there was a current riot happening or not, I have to assume those cops were of the mindset that there was one either happening or one was imminent. That's how we do basic risk/threat assessment. Reasonable assumptions.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:59 am to Klark Kent
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if true. that's a bad look and their should be consequences for all involved in the cover up. i'm not protecting these moron police officers, i'm simply arguing that the points on the subject are speculative bullshite.
but you can't make a sweeping generalizations that this is how it plays out every time.
It’s hard not to imagine what these cops are getting away with when there’s no cameras, when they are covering up shite and doing all this shite on camera during all this.
How many “isolated incidents” do you need to see before believing it’s a problem with the entire system of how we hire, train, and empower cops?
This post was edited on 6/5/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:00 am to Klark Kent
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Well in this case if there wasn’t a camera filming, the offical report would say that the old man “tripped and fell”
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this is an opinion. there is nothing to support this.
Nothing to support this except for the fact that the cops' official report stated verbatim that the old man tripped and fell. Ya frickin' moron.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:00 am to Salmon
no, i've only seen a second or two before the shove. where did the guy come from? were they walking towards a riot in the area, or a group of rowdy protesters?
i have no idea. that's why i'm asking. you're talking like you know, so i'm asking you...how do you know?
i have no idea. that's why i'm asking. you're talking like you know, so i'm asking you...how do you know?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:01 am to Logician
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no, i've only seen a second or two before the shove. where did the guy come from? were they walking towards a riot in the area, or a group of rowdy protesters?
LINK
Watch the end of the video, the entire block up ahead is clear of protestors.
The end of that street is blocked off by cop cars, not protestors
This post was edited on 6/5/20 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:02 am to upgrayedd
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That's how we do basic risk/threat assessment. Reasonable assumptions.
I think we both work in the same field, right? Which is in risk assessment.
In risk assessment, you start with worst case scenario and then work backwards based off variables.
Just off this video, there seems to be plenty of variables that would cause someone to not assume worst case scenario.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:02 am to Klark Kent
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but you can't make a sweeping generalizations t
Keep this same energy when discussing protestors. Just a couple bad apples, right? Like the cops?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:02 am to upgrayedd
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Perhaps you should research the origins of that term
I know the origins of the term.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:03 am to Logician
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i have no idea. that's why i'm asking. you're talking like you know, so i'm asking you...how do you know?
I didn't say that I knew. I said it appeared that there were no riots currently taking place and that there were no large crowds of protesters in the immediate area based off the video.
Calm down.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:03 am to wildtigercat93
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It’s hard not to imagine what these cops are getting away with when there’s no cameras, when they are covering up shite and doing all this shite on camera during all this.
This whole thing was touched off by an incident where the cop claimed George Floyd was resisting to justify his killing him when there's very little evidence of any resistance in the videos of the incident.
It's all out there for people to see, but some still want to close their eyes and act like it's only a few bad apples and not the entire fricking system.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:04 am to Klark Kent
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but you can't make a sweeping generalizations that this is how it plays out every time
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Klark Kent
dude, you have been ALL IN about sweeping generalization concerning the protests all week
spare us the lecture
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