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re: 73 Years ago today: Battle of Stalingrad ends with the surrender of 6th Army
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:36 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:36 am to Darth_Vader
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Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:38 am to athenslife101
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Because, despite claiming neutrality, the US was giving Great Britain a ton of supplies. Hitler wanted an excuse to go after the shipping routes. No one really respected the US military at the time and they didn't think the US would be a real threat
Gargantuan mistake on his part. The U.S. was already the world's biggest economy and had the industrial capacity to build armaments at a pace Germany had no hope of ever keeping up with. Add in the fact the U.S. had millions upon millions of men it could put into uniform and it becomes clear to anyone that Germany could not hope to match the U.S. from a military standpoint. Then on top of that add in the fact Germany was already locked in a war with both Great Britain and the USSR... it just makes no sense. It's the definition of insanity.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:39 am to Darth_Vader
I think you would love the "Ghosts of the Osfront" series by Dan Carlin. Don't think its offered for free anymore, though. Might have to buy it.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:40 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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I think you would love the "Ghosts of the Osfront" series by Dan Carlin. Don't think its offered for free anymore, though. Might have to buy it.
I've looked for it on my iPhone's podcast app but can't find it.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:43 am to Darth_Vader
After a while, he makes you buy them from his website. IIRC, you can buy all of the old podcasts for $60. Seems like it would be worth it since you love history. I bought them a while ago. He's got some good ones in there.
If the files were smaller, I would just email them to you.
If the files were smaller, I would just email them to you.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:43 am to Darth_Vader
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It's the definition of insanity.
Certainly, and you have to wonder why the German military let that nutjob completely loose without turning on him when he was making so many obvious blunders.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:45 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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After a while, he makes you buy them from his website. IIRC, you can buy all of the old podcasts for $60. Seems like it would be worth it since you love history.
If the files were smaller, I would just email them to you.
I've just done a Google search on my iPhone and found where I can buy them. I wonder if this would add them to my podcast list? It just worries me I can find all this other podcasts on the podcast app but not Ghosts of the Ostfront. Why offer all the others there but not this one?
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:46 am to TheCaterpillar
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Is it Stalingrad or Leningrad where the citizens were fighting with household items?
Residents were instructed to stay & fight the Germans in Stalingrad.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:46 am to Darth_Vader
When you buy them, they are treated as audio files, so they go into your regular iTunes library. Kind of sucks because it doesn't save your spot when you want to listen to something else.
Last one offered for free is Wrath of the Khans.
Here is a link to purchase the older episodes.
LINK
Punic Nightmares is another must listen.
Last one offered for free is Wrath of the Khans.
Here is a link to purchase the older episodes.
LINK
Punic Nightmares is another must listen.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:47 am to doubleb
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Germany and Japan had a screwy alliance. Japan never declared war on Russia and did not threaten Russia, but as soon as Japan attacked the US Hitler jumped in and declared war on the US three days later.
Biggest fricking mistake Hitler made. No way the US would have been able to get into the European fight after PH without that declaration. Roosevelt would have been run out of office.
Second biggest was attacking the British population centers instead of continuing to attack the RAF bases.
Going into the USSR was not a mistake, because it was his fricking plan all along. If anything, he should have put his main focus on the Caucasus oilfields and Ukraine and just held that, as opposed to "message" missions (Stalingrad really had no strategic importance).
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:50 am to Darth_Vader
I knew that, but I mean a wholesale uprising with the big brass in charge.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
Yes, it was a mistake. But the US had been isolationist for the past 15 years. Isolation was still a huge cause in the US. The Europeans never really thought the US government had the political capital to engage in a high casualty war in Europe.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:58 am to athenslife101
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The Europeans never really thought the US government had the political capital to engage in a high casualty war in Europe.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
The world would be a different place if the Nazis continued to Moscow instead of turning south to Stalingrad and the oil fields.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:08 am to udtiger
quote:Exactly
Biggest fricking mistake Hitler made. No way the US would have been able to get into the European fight after PH without that declaration. Roosevelt would have been run out of office.
quote:True, the RAF wason the ropes and closed to being knocked out.
Second biggest was attacking the British population centers instead of continuing to attack the RAF bases
quote:Yes, but his timing was very poor. Not just the weather, he had a lot of loose ends in N Africa where Italy failed him.
Going into the USSR was not a mistake, because it was his fricking plan all along. If anything, he should have put his main focus on the Caucasus oilfields and Ukraine and just held that, as opposed to "message" missions (Stalingrad really had no strategic importance).
The numerous strategic blunders in Russia came later. It was completely mishandled.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:09 am to Darth_Vader
white people cray
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:10 am to Darth_Vader
The single biggest military disaster in history.
When a politician overrides military decision making, this is often the result. Of course, military genius Napoleon (arguably #1 of all time, certainly no lower than #5) made the same blunder in attacking and getting bogged down against the Russian army in winter time.
They are hard, indestructible people who thrive in battle in the cold and mud. I'm extremely happy that I never had to fight them.
When a politician overrides military decision making, this is often the result. Of course, military genius Napoleon (arguably #1 of all time, certainly no lower than #5) made the same blunder in attacking and getting bogged down against the Russian army in winter time.
They are hard, indestructible people who thrive in battle in the cold and mud. I'm extremely happy that I never had to fight them.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
One cannot understand WW 2 without understanding the German casualties in that battle and the effect of these losses for the remainder of the war. The Germans and their allies lost over 850,000 men at Stalingrad. In comparison, US casualties at the Battle of the Bulge, the greatest losses in any operation of that war were approximately 89,500. 'Catastrophic' doesn't come close.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:16 am to doubleb
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I knew that, but I mean a wholesale uprising with the big brass in charge
That did happen on July 20, 1944. Course it was crushed.
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