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re: 73 Years ago today: Battle of Stalingrad ends with the surrender of 6th Army
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:19 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:19 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Kind of sucks because it doesn't save your spot when you want to listen to something else.
I use Podcast Addict, but I have an Android. So, I'm not sure if it is available on iPhones. I am able to download the episodes to my app. After doing that, I'm able to pick up where I left off. It may be worth a try because I can imagine not being able to save your spot is a pain in the arse.
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Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:24 am to Darth_Vader
Re the comments about Hitler's double front being insane, if you read the Rise & Fall of The Third Reich, it was Hitler's "plan" to defeat England before the U.S. had time to get organized for war, leaving the U.S. no base to operate from in fighting Germany. He also felt, as noted here, that Russia would fold its cards before the U.S. got involved.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:28 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:i have nothing but respect for our wwii veterans. they are conservative, patriotic, christian, and sacrificed so much. truly the greatest generation of all time. however their love and respect for fdr is mind-boggling. he got into bed with stalin and destroyed capitalist america and turned it into the self-entitlement society of what it is today. every modern social and economic problem can be traced back to fdr.
Cult of personality. Humans are naive and trusting of political, religious leaders. It is our fatal flaw. It still amazes me that more people simply don't have the ability to think for themselves in this day and age and with all of the information available to us at our fingertips.
quote:russia's "win" in the east is because of idiotic german blunders and an infinite supply of weapons, supplies, vehicles, and resources from the usa.
Correct. Funny how US schools don't really teach how relevant Russia was to WWII. It's mostly just a constant parade of rah rah D-Day stuff.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:34 am to CadesCove
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Hitler believed that Blitzkrieg would work in Russia and they would have things sewed up long before winter truly set in. I have read that he genuinely believed that the Russian people wouldn't fight for the Soviets and would help his forces.
His now infamous quote on the matter of invading Russia....
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'we have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.'.
What's ironic is in the early stages the Germans were indeed greeted as liberators. That was especially true in places like the Baltic countries and Ukraine.There were scenes like this all over the place early on....
Of course these feelings of goodwill among the civilian population was squandered by the German's via their brutality.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:38 am to Darth_Vader
The Volga Germans were pretty happy, I'm sure. They were traditionally more closely aligned with the Germanic people than the Slavs. The problem was, there was a whole lot more to the Soviet empire to draw from than just that little part. And the people didn't know what to expect from the Germans. They knew exactly what they could expect from the Soviets if they disobeyed.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:40 am to Ace Midnight
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Barbarossa by Alan Clark
That to was an outstanding book.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:44 am to Switzerland
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russia's "win" in the east is because of idiotic german blunders and an infinite supply of weapons, supplies, vehicles, and resources from the usa.
You bring up a good point here. Two items from the U.S. allowed the Soviets to win in the East. Without these, the Soviets would have been fricked...
1. The Studabaker truck
2. Spam
Take those two things away, the Soviets most likely lose the war.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:46 am to Darth_Vader
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Soviets launched Operation Uranus, aimed at both the right & left cheeks of the 6th Army which were held by less reliable Italian and Romanian undies.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:48 am to Swoopin
That's actually a quite accurate analogy. 
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:51 am to Darth_Vader
Quite the flanking maneuver. Whereas Operation Overlord was the largest rectal invasion in human history.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:54 am to Swoopin
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Quite the flanking maneuver. Whereas Operation Overlord was the largest rectal invasion in human history.
So does that mean the seaborne part of the invasion was sticking it in the German's arse and the airborne part was giving them a reach around?
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:00 pm to Darth_Vader
I'm watching the absolutely excellent documentary, World War II in Color, which has sent me down the wormhole into WWII history and literature. I'm sort of interested in Zhukov, as he seems to have been one of the most able tank commanders of the war.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:01 pm to Darth_Vader
Maybe airborne was the Cosby sweater maneuver?
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:10 pm to CadesCove
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Hitler believed that Blitzkrieg would work in Russia and they would have things sewed up long before winter truly set in. I have read that he genuinely believed that the Russian people wouldn't fight for the Soviets and would help his forces.
It wasn't a completely unreasonable assumption. He thought the situation in Russia was similar to 1905 to 1917 when the Romanovs barely held on, and he saw that then, like today, the country was a mish-mash of ethnic groups, many of which aren't entirely friendly to Russians. Plus, he thought there was still a significant undercurrent of White support from the civil war.
He had underestimated the lengths to which the Soviets went in the 1930's to consolidate their power. Stalin had an iron grip on that country by 1941.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:11 pm to Darth_Vader
Alright so serious question. What 10% of the city did they never lose? And was that the center point for their resurgence or did they truly just hold steady there until flanking groups arrived from the countryside?
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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Of course these feelings of goodwill among the civilian population was squandered by the German's via their brutality.
The Soviets did a masterful job facilitating this conflict through their effective partisan campaigns. One aspect of the Eastern Front that is typically overlooked is the irregular warfare being carried out in the German rear which the Germans opted to respond to with brutal measures.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm watching the absolutely excellent documentary, World War II in Color, which has sent me down the wormhole into WWII history and literature.
That's a pretty good series. If you've got Netflix I'd also recommend checking out "Apocalypse World War II". I'm a little over half way through it and it's been pretty good.
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I'm sort of interested in Zhukov, as he seems to have been one of the most able tank commanders of the war.
He is generally regarded as the best the Soviets had. I'd say a valid argument could be made though for
Konstantin Rokossovsky.
He played key roles in everything from the defense of Moscow, Stalingrad, and Kursk. He also planned and carried out Operation Bagration which virtually destroyed the German's Army Group Center and put the Soviet's on Warsaw's doorstep. The thing about him though is he was not Russian, instead he was Polish. This fact held him back in the annals of Soviet military history. In fact, it was only becasue he was Polish that he was moved away from the push on Berlin and instead commanded the push through the Northern portion of Germany. Stain did not want a Pole to be able to say they captured Berlin.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:31 pm to Swoopin
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Alright so serious question. What 10% of the city did they never lose? And was that the center point for their resurgence or did they truly just hold steady there until flanking groups arrived from the countryside?
The only portions the German's never took was the boat landings along the riverfront. This is pivotal because it was these river landings that allowed the Soviets to keep funneling in supplies and reinforcements into Stalingrad from the far bank of the Volga. Here's a map that helps to illustrate what I'm talking about....
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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Gen Paulus
Promoted by Hitler to Field Marshal via radio just prior to 6th Army's surrender. Hitler did this in hopes of spurring von Paulus to fight to the death, as no German Field Marshal in history had ever been captured by the enemy.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:45 pm to Godfather1
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Promoted by Hitler to Field Marshal via radio just prior to 6th Army's surrender. Hitler did this in hopes of spurring von Paulus to fight to the death, as no German Field Marshal in history had ever been captured by the enemy.
True except for one minor fact. His name was just Friedrich Paulus, not von Paulus. He did not have the "von" title.
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