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re: 46% of EV owners in US want to switch back to gas cars
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:54 am to biglego
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:54 am to biglego
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Driven by the absolute slowest and most frustrating drivers out there. Getting stuck behind a Tesla is a fricking death sentence
And half can't even figure out how to use Bluetooth. I see them every day with their phone up to their ear.
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Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:58 am to RedPants
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I’m perfectly happy with mine.
Same here. It’s a great home to work car. I’ve saved a lot on charging at home. It’s fun as hell to drive.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:57 am to deeprig9
When one does the ROI for an electric vs ICE forklift there is no competition, the ICE will cost 25% more to acquire and operate for 10,000 hours. However, there are challenges to converting from one to the other which operations must overcome in order to utilize them and achieve the cost savings. Once in place, a business operating two or more electric forklifts will likely never buy ICE again.
The same savings exist with electric cars. However, one must do the fuel savings comparison then consider acquisition cost in order to assure that the ROI offsets the massive challenges related to utilizing the vehicle. Overpaying for the vehicle can erode the operating cost savings. Because our lives are never as predictable as warehousing flow we can never state with absolute certainty that the utilization challenges are met. If having a backup ICE car is part of the equation then ROI is a bad justification. Then there is disposal, right now the depreciation rate for the EV will wipe out more of the ROI if the plan is to flip every five years. If the plan is to "drive until the wheels fall off" then the EV will cost more due to buying a replacement battery. EV has not been around long enough to create data related to damage caused by the the weight of the vehicle to the frame supporting, an irrelevant factor when discussing electric forklifts.
If you cannot lease the EV for a favorable financial advantage, which must include the backup vehicle costs, then why the hell would you own it? If you aren't willing to deal with learning how to manage the car and manage your travel plans then kick the idea entirely. Break your own individual needs down to cost per mile then see if you actually saved anything.
The same savings exist with electric cars. However, one must do the fuel savings comparison then consider acquisition cost in order to assure that the ROI offsets the massive challenges related to utilizing the vehicle. Overpaying for the vehicle can erode the operating cost savings. Because our lives are never as predictable as warehousing flow we can never state with absolute certainty that the utilization challenges are met. If having a backup ICE car is part of the equation then ROI is a bad justification. Then there is disposal, right now the depreciation rate for the EV will wipe out more of the ROI if the plan is to flip every five years. If the plan is to "drive until the wheels fall off" then the EV will cost more due to buying a replacement battery. EV has not been around long enough to create data related to damage caused by the the weight of the vehicle to the frame supporting, an irrelevant factor when discussing electric forklifts.
If you cannot lease the EV for a favorable financial advantage, which must include the backup vehicle costs, then why the hell would you own it? If you aren't willing to deal with learning how to manage the car and manage your travel plans then kick the idea entirely. Break your own individual needs down to cost per mile then see if you actually saved anything.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:32 am to Joshjrn
$50 Billion from Biden and 2 EV charging stations got built 3 years later? Something insane like that?
Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:45 am to PUB
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$50 Billion from Biden and 2 EV charging stations got built 3 years later? Something insane like that?
The insane part of this is the states all got the money and over half of them are too stupid to figure out how to put together the information to qualify for the fund..
Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:49 am to PUB
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$50 Billion from Biden and 2 EV charging stations got built 3 years later? Something insane like that?
Biden is a clown, but this is a silly meme that won’t go away. While $7.5B has been allocated for EV chargers, very little of it has actually been spent, with most of it presently earmarked for projects in the next few years. I won’t link directly to a fact checker, as that will start a boring source argument, but just plug the statement into your favorite search engine and pick your favorite article
Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:54 am to deeprig9
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46% of EV owners in US want to switch back to gas cars
That number is likely a lot higher.
Something like 20-30% of voters through Bidens economy was good. Some people refuse to admit they made a mistake.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:00 am to Joshjrn
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While $7.5B has been allocated for EV chargers, very little of it has actually been spent, with most of it presently earmarked for projects in the next few years.
8 EV chargers built since act was passed in 2021
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Installing federally funded stations has been like “trying to push spaghetti uphill,” Murphy says.
It's a government project, they over-promised and will undoubtedly under-deliver in grand fashion.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:06 am to YumYum Sauce
I’ve taken mine on a couple road trips. Superchargers are everywhere. Instead of filling up in 5 minutes, I plug in, go in to a nearby place to grab lunch. Come out 20 min later, car is ready to go. I have no issue with the slightly longer stop time.
Also, I always fly to my destination if it’s longer than a 6 hour drive.
Also, I always fly to my destination if it’s longer than a 6 hour drive.
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:09 am to deeprig9
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deeprig9
O&G baw starts anti-EV thread…shocker of the day.
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I’m perfectly happy with mine.
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54%, according to the survey, are.
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But 46% unhappy is a surprisingly large number. That's the story here.
Actually, that’s not the story here. That’s the story you’re trying to convey. The story itself says “Only 13 percent said they did not enjoy the driving experience”…meaning 87% are happy the their EV. The switch back is because they’re unhappy with the infrastructure, inability to charge at home, etc.
My neighbor is 100% unhappy with the new Tundra that had complete engine failure within two weeks of ownership. Gave him another one and it sounds terrible every time it shuts down. Imagine the underlining fear of a long road trip. But, yeah.
Side note, I own a Ford Explorer but if someone wants to own an EV then I don’t have a problem with it. Seems some of you take it personally that EVs are being sold and people like the vehicles. I assume you feel cool posting an anti-EV story (according to you) on TD because the site is full of O&G baws.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:16 am to bad93ex
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It's a government project, they over-promised and will undoubtedly under-deliver in grand fashion.
I’ll take this approach over some of the other ways the feds throw money around we don’t need another ppp disaster with billions in fraud.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:23 am to billjamin
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I’ll take this approach over some of the other ways the feds throw money around we don’t need another ppp disaster with billions in fraud.
That's a really low bar, 8 chargers in 3 years is pathetic even for a government program.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:30 am to bad93ex
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That's a really low bar, 8 chargers in 3 years is pathetic even for a government program.
It’s honestly not shocking because guidance didn’t even come out for fund qualification for quite a while. And the fed have no authority to authorize these for construction or interconnection. If a state really had their shite together, which they don’t, and had a utility that wanted to play ball it’s easily years before they can break ground in many places. Also, I think only about half of the states even put out RFPs so far. The others are still trying to figure out how to understand the fund qualifications (capacity, availability, etc)
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:09 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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deeprig9
O&G baw starts anti-EV thread…shocker of the day.
I'm not in O&G baw. My username comes from a fishing reference / inside joke among some old fishing buddies from high school.
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