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re: 45% of new grads who actually find jobs, are taking "no degree needed" jobs

Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:57 pm to
My Feminist Studies degree is gonna make me a ton of cash though.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:58 pm to
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So HR wants to hire someone who's proven to not be an asset and discards those who have the potential to be one.
Nobody ever claimed they were smart. They probably decide a budget for themselves and then decide qualifications for themselves, instead of stressing previous work experience and skills. Great way to get bottom of the barrel people.

I just don't understand how they expect to pull someone with 3-5 years experience from another company for entry level pay
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:22 pm to
Entry level position:
Bachelors degree required. Masters highly preferred. 2-3 years of increasingly responsible experience is required.
Compensation: 30-34k annually dependent on qualifications

Sums up 99% of ads. We live in a world where average waitresses make more money than average college graduates.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36425 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:28 pm to
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We live in a world where average waitresses make more money than average college graduates.


The average college graduate makes ~57k
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18371 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:29 pm to
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shite, I'm trying to geta job as an operator with a degree and keep getting turned down.


Because you spend $750 on gas a month.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:30 pm to
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My Feminist Studies degree is gonna make me a ton of cash though.



This is such a stupid meme. I'd bet money the vast majority of college graduates are graduating with STEM, Communication, Education, Business, Finance, etc. type of degrees.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:31 pm to


I love this meme so much
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:31 pm to
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The average college graduate makes ~57k


I figured you could piece together that I was talking about new grads.. context clues and all

Fwiw college grad wages have dropped 3% over the last 15 years.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36425 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:41 pm to
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I figured you could piece together that I was talking about new grads.. context clues and all


Okay, the new college graduate is making 45-48k, is that how much waitresses make?
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:06 pm to
I know one waiter that made more than double that when he was doing it full time. He was at the top though
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:15 pm to
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I know one waiter that made more than double that when he was doing it full time. He was at the top though

Obviously an outlier.

45-48k is not a bad starting salary for someone with a college degree.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:19 pm to
Nope, I'd still be working in the woods if I made anywhere close to that, and I was the only one in my graduating class to get a job. Sure enough though, every single company we met with during school complained about not having qualified applicants
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:21 pm to
What types of incomes are you guys hoping to make? I assume $100k+? I worked in banking before I got into the small business world. I graduated from Texas with a degree in finance and worked 2 years at a bank in dallas making $35k/yr. Then I got my MBA from LSU, finished in 2005 and worked in M&A at a small bank in houston and made 6 figures. I don't know why people think that just having an undergrad degree is worth anything? It's just a stepping stone but clearly the more you have on your resume in the form of Executive programs or grad schools you're going to stand out. The whole point of an MBA is to network, thats why people pay for harvards and princetons of the world. Its not that you learn more, its that the network around you can land you things you want. I happened to land my job bc the guy interviewing me was an LSU grad, we talked about the recent national championship at the time after a quick interview and I was hired instantly.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:23 pm to
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shite, I'm trying to geta job as an operator with a degree and keep getting turned down.


Ditto.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
82744 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:24 pm to
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Sums up 99% of ads. We live in a world where average waitresses make more money than average college graduates.



I completely agree with you, but on a side note, unless they are are working full time in a high end restaurant, many servers overestimate what they make total. I did when I was a server too.

I remember when I graduated and got a job making $36k, my service industry friend constantly scoffed at it, saying he has no incentive to leave the service industry if that is what entry level folks are making. I went home.. and I did the math. The dude works ~75 more days a year than I do and averages $100/day (some days a lot more, but some days a lot less). After all is said and done, he's making ~$30K by my generous math.. working far more days a year than I do, and there is nowhere to go up from there.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29504 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:51 pm to
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Because you spend $750 on gas a month.




I like to drive.

Sue me
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:57 pm to
And for those students who got a job that did not require a degree, their student loans should be forgiven.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59071 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:59 pm to
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In one of my interviews it was clear from the beginning I wasn't getting the job when he kept harking on my inexperience in Accounting. I flat out asked the guy how the hell I was supposed to get experience for an entry level job and he literally told me to go volunteer somewhere for a year so I could get my foot in the door.
if you do something like this, you're a huge bitch IMO.

I wouldn't even do an unpaid summer internship.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:02 pm to
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45% of new grads who actually find jobs, are taking "no degree needed" jobs



Well. Let's see here. Undergrads in U.S.

Art & Performance 5.5%
History 2%
Philosophy 1%
Psychology 6.35%
Humanities 2.4%
Sociology 1.7%

That's about 19% with undergrads with no direct correlation to the general job market.

Add to that.

People with degrees from marginal schools.
People who barely fricking got their degree.

Then, factor in that many jobs require a degree OR experience which technically means "no degree needed". And, I think we can all realize that the person with 10 years of experience in MANY jobs is obviously at least as qualified as some fresh faced recent undergrad.

Bottom line. Complete non-story.


Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:05 pm to
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In one of my interviews it was clear from the beginning I wasn't getting the job when he kept harking on my inexperience in Accounting. I flat out asked the guy how the hell I was supposed to get experience for an entry level job and he literally told me to go volunteer somewhere for a year so I could get my foot in the door.


People really seem to have the relationship flipped on its head in the interview process.

It is YOU, the applicant, that needs to show the employer you bring something to the table. The employer isn't opening the job to "give people opportunities". The employer is opening the job because they need the fricking job done and they'd like it done as well as it can possibly be done for the money they are able to pay.

In other words, they're just like the rest of us when we are planning to buy something. And hiring someone is the act of BUYING labor.
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