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re: 4 NOPD Officers Fired, 2 Suspended Following Fatal Chase into Barber Shop

Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:45 am to
Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
950 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:45 am to
Or work so many hours of extra duty jobs that u are not your very best in extreme tension situation jobs that would blow most people’s mind? They are trained so infallible and the car thieves deserve apologies?
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66474 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:49 am to
Quit stealing wifi
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33863 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:56 am to
Since its new orleans, why do we assume these cameras actually worked in the first place?
Posted by NOLA Tiger
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2006
844 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:57 am to
Vehicle pursuit policy is in place due to the consent decree and the criminals are exploiting it
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:57 am to
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I also don't like how the superintendent apologized to the families of the criminals. If they don't run, the crash doesn't happen, either. They are just as much at fault, and really more so, for the accident, than the chasing officers were.


If they don't steal the car they don't have to run. Our society has waged war on common sense and personal responsibility for too long.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20386 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:58 am to
Don’t steal a car and the police won’t chase you. Don’t run when the police try to pull you over and the police won’t chase you. Nope. It all happened because the police chased them.
Posted by NOLA Tiger
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2006
844 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:03 am to
The three people died because the two criminals stole a car and ran from police, negligently crashing it into the salon. Where is the personal responsibility and accountability for the two criminals?
The comments from the Chief and Mayor are beyond embarrassing. This is the state of the City.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 10:09 am
Posted by 007mag
Death Valley, Sec. 408
Member since Dec 2011
3927 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:04 am to
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14-year-old and 16-year-old
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what they believed was a stolen car
How many kids have taken their parents car for a joy ride and didn't get killed in an unauthorized police chase.
quote:

Vehicle pursuits are prohibited unless the suspect has been involved in a violent crime and a suspect’s escape poses a danger
They were chased and killed because they were believed to have a stolen car.

Why did the cops believe they stole the car?
Maybe they appeared too young to own a car.
Posted by 8miles
slidell
Member since Oct 2005
5684 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:07 am to
The police chief is a total embarrassment. Not sure he could read a stop sign.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38225 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:07 am to
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If they don't steal the car they don't have to run. Our society has waged war on common sense and personal responsibility for too long.


this X 100000000

:stopbreakingthelawasshole:
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:30 am to
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Those two dead little bastards need to be charged with the death of the person in the salon


Yeah! Drag them bastards into court!

Wait...
Posted by oVo
Member since Dec 2013
11983 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:33 am to
Well 2 soon to be career criminals are off the streets for good so that’s a win I guess.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41644 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:39 am to
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They were chased and killed because they were believed to have a stolen car.

Why did the cops believe they stole the car?
Maybe they appeared too young to own a car.


Supposedly at roll call that day there was a BOLO for that car / license plate. Officers found it, pulled them over, the perps took off, and here we go.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41644 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:41 am to
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Where is the personal responsibility and accountability for the two criminals?


quote:

The comments from the Chief and Mayor are beyond embarrassing. This is the state of the City.



One thing the Superintendent said was that the officers would NOT be criminally charged, which means that they believe the officers are not "responsible/accountable" for the deaths.

It's also clear a small mountain of internal polices, serious ones, were broken on multiple occasions. That is unacceptable and the superintendent was right to fire these officers for those actions.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45409 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:47 am to
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This is a tough call. I get the reasons behind the rules though. But it’s tough to “blame” the officers for the deaths.



The reason for the rule is the consent decree that was written by Obama's DOJ. Everyone now knows the NOPD can't pursue a fleeing car, without prior authorization.

Read what happened below-
Same incident, same location (New Orleans) the only difference is which police department you work for.

quote:

Eric Harris, 22, had an encounter with Jefferson Parish sheriff’s deputies on Monday, Feb. 8, at the Oakwood mall in Gretna, and deputies Henry Dejun and Kenneth Bonura began pursuing him “after learning he was armed with a gun,” according to NOPD reports on the case. Harris drove across the Crescent City Connection into Central City and stopped in the 2200 block of Philip Street, near Simon Bolivar Avenue, where the two deputies shot and killed him after his car allegedly began moving toward them, police have said.


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Controversy over the shooting flared this week, after NOPD Deputy Chief Arlinda Westbrook told Harris’ family members during a public meeting that any NOPD officers who had fired under similar circumstances would have been arrested “on the spot,” according to a report on nola.com. The New Orleans Police Department’s consent decree prohibits officers from shooting at a suspect in a moving vehicle unless that suspect is using another kind of deadly weapon, but the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office does not have a similar policy.
Posted by Mayor
Member since Jul 2019
45 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 11:26 am to
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They were Damned if they do and Damned if they dont

They turn the cameras off. I believe that shows they knew what they were doing was wrong
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40303 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 11:48 am to
No.

I am very much against police car chases for property crimes, especially car thefts.

The car more than likely has theft insurance and the majority of cops think they drive better than they actually do, and criminals surely suck at it...

This guy:

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54-year-old Schwann Herbert


paid the price.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 11:57 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
105151 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 11:58 am to
Semi-serious question - Since the consent-decree was pushed through by the Obama DOJ, could the Trump DOJ either amend or dismiss it completely if they chose to become involved?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45409 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 12:07 pm to
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Semi-serious question - Since the consent-decree was pushed through by the Obama DOJ, could the Trump DOJ either amend or dismiss it completely if they chose to become involved?


The DOJ can opt out, like they did in Baltimore, but a federal judge oversees the agreement (decree).
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