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250 years was a great run but it is over and time to start anew...

Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:48 am
Posted by Cell of Awareness
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:48 am
It is important to understand that the constitutional system our forefathers created through revolution, reason, and strong principles has been greatly weakened by planned actions from within the country. The open-borders situation from fiscal years 2021 through 2024 was the final major step against national independence. It was a carefully organized change in the population, carried out with clear purpose. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records show more than 8.8 million encounters at the southwest land border alone during FY2021 to FY2024. Nationwide totals exceeded 10.9 million. The highest years saw 2.2 million encounters in FY2022 and 2.0 million in FY2023. The Department of Homeland Security estimates that known gotaways numbered more than 2 million in that period, bringing the total illegal entries to well over 12 million. Millions of these people were sent directly into American communities through catch-and-release programs, mass parole, and sanctuary-city rules that did not follow federal law. This was not done out of compassion or economic need. It was a planned effort to bring in large numbers of low-skill, low-assimilation people in order to weaken the country’s cultural foundation and make self-government much harder.

The results are clear from the facts, not from personal views. Cultures that focus on quick pleasures, low trust, and immediate actions—rather than discipline, self-control, and learning—now appear widely in our media, schools, and everyday life. This shows a real decline in our society, supported by measurable information. Manhattan Institute analysis finds that the average new unlawful immigrant creates a net cost of $80,000 over thirty years. The average unlawful immigrant already living in the United States takes $225,000 more in benefits than they pay in taxes over the same period. These numbers come from careful studies of taxes, welfare, education, and other programs. Center for Immigration Studies data show that 61 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants use at least one major welfare program. This creates tens of billions of dollars in direct payments each year. In addition, U.S.-born children of these families add another $68 billion yearly in public-school costs alone. Hospitals are overcrowded, classrooms face extra pressure from language and behavior issues, and crime has risen in some areas: Border Patrol has recorded 56,154 arrests of non-citizens with criminal convictions or warrants since FY2021. Social-trust measures drop exactly as Robert Putnam’s well-known research described. In areas with very high diversity, people of all backgrounds tend to pull back. They trust their neighbors less, join fewer community activities, volunteer less, and give less to charity. Trust falls even within the same ethnic groups because separate communities form instead of blending together. Educated people who value merit, reading, scientific thinking, ordered liberty, and high-trust relationships now see their children growing up in a divided society. In that society, success is labeled “privilege,” poor choices are called “vibrancy,” thoughtful thinkers are pushed aside, and entertainers who celebrate pornographic and vile acts are praised instead.

We are not becoming stronger as a society. We are divided in ways that are hard to repair. The large-scale experiment with low-skill, low-education immigration has produced exactly the results that history and studies have long predicted: hospitals under heavy strain, classrooms turned into places for basic support, hundreds of thousands of deaths from fentanyl that came through the open borders, $200 billion sent out of the country each year in remittances, and a culture that puts quick pleasures ahead of deeper thinking. The sharp rise in the foreign-born population has not added positive variety to America. It has brought in some of the same problems that made the home countries less successful—lower community trust, greater dependence on government help, and less respect for the ideas of the Enlightenment.

No real repair seems possible for the current system. The republic created in 1787 no longer exists in its original form. It has been replaced by a large government structure influenced by international interests and major population changes. The only reasonable future for civilized, educated people—the direct heirs of the academies of Athens, the republican values of Rome, and the rational order of the Enlightenment—is to create their own independent nation. This could be on this continent or elsewhere. It would be a place based on merit, with strong borders, clear protection of culture, and guided by the intelligence that built the West. History shows that similar groups have done this before when their society was overtaken by outside influences. We can do it again. Groups with different values can be kept separate through strong laws and high standards of excellence. The ideas of the West will continue. Educated people are already thinking in their own way; a step toward physical separation will be needed next. Otherwise, we risk losing everything in the situation we chose not to leave. The time for avoiding these choices has passed.


This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 9:51 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted by IS_IT_GAMEDAY
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:50 am to
Dear facebook
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:50 am to

F that wall of Chat GPT created nonsense
Posted by Salmon
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Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:51 am to
quote:

is to create their own independent nation. This could be on this continent or elsewhere. It would be a place based on merit, with strong borders, clear protection of culture, and guided by the intelligence that built the West.


Why do you think Musk is working so hard to get us to Mars?
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:53 am to

I'll see your ChatGPT and raise you one "create argument" via Chat GPT

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Here's a structured counterargument that challenges the main claims in the passage while remaining focused on evidence and reasoning.


The argument assumes that high levels of immigration between 2021 and 2024 were part of a deliberate effort to weaken the United States, but it provides no direct evidence of such intent. Large-scale migration can result from many factors, including economic conditions, political instability abroad, administrative decisions, humanitarian concerns, and policy disagreements. Poor policy outcomes do not automatically prove a coordinated plan to undermine the nation.

The claim that immigration is causing broad cultural decline is also difficult to establish. Changes in social trust, educational performance, media consumption, family structure, and civic engagement have been occurring for decades, long before the recent border surge. Technology, social media, economic inequality, declining participation in local organizations, and political polarization are all plausible explanations for these trends. Assigning primary responsibility to immigration oversimplifies a complex social reality.

The argument further treats immigrants as a largely uniform group characterized by low skills, low assimilation, and dependence on government programs. In reality, immigrant populations are highly diverse. Many immigrants start businesses, work in essential industries, serve in the military, contribute to scientific research, and achieve educational and economic success. Historical fears that newcomers would not assimilate have been directed at many groups throughout American history, including Irish, Italian, Jewish, and Eastern European immigrants, many of whom later became fully integrated into American society.

The discussion of fiscal costs also presents only one side of a disputed issue. While some studies estimate net public costs associated with certain immigrant populations, other research finds significant economic benefits from immigration through labor-force growth, entrepreneurship, innovation, and increased consumer demand. Evaluating immigration solely through welfare expenditures ignores these broader economic effects.

Similarly, citing the number of non-citizens arrested with criminal records does not prove that immigration as a whole increases crime. To demonstrate such a claim, one must compare crime rates among immigrants, native-born citizens, and other groups. The presence of criminal offenders within a population does not establish that the entire population is more crime-prone.

The argument also relies heavily on the idea that cultural diversity necessarily reduces social trust. While some research has found short-term declines in trust in diverse communities, the evidence is more nuanced. Many diverse societies maintain high levels of social cooperation, and trust can be strengthened through effective institutions, shared civic norms, economic opportunity, and successful integration policies.

Most importantly, the conclusion that educated or culturally similar people should separate themselves into a new nation is unsupported by the preceding evidence. Even if one accepts that immigration has created significant challenges, it does not follow that constitutional government has failed or that political separation is the only solution. Throughout American history, the nation has experienced waves of immigration, cultural conflict, and political division while continuing to adapt and reform its institutions.

The strength of a constitutional republic lies not in maintaining complete cultural uniformity but in creating a framework through which people with different backgrounds can coexist under common laws and shared civic principles. Problems related to immigration, border security, assimilation, and public spending can be addressed through democratic reforms without abandoning the constitutional system itself.

Rather than proving that the United States is beyond repair, the evidence cited is more reasonably interpreted as support for policy debate about border enforcement, legal immigration levels, assimilation, and public services. These are challenges to be managed, not proof that the republic has ceased to exist.
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:57 am to
Its still easier to repair than start from scratch, but the gap is shrinking as all poorly maintained systems do.

The real problem is if I have no faith in people fixing the system, why the hell would I have faith in them starting a new one???
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:58 am to
HOLY frickIN MANIFESTO!!!!
Posted by DomincDecoco
RIP Ronnie fights Thoth’s loafers
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 9:59 am to
Log the frick off bro and go
Outside
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:00 am to
TLDR.

And it's more of a poli board thread anyway.
Posted by tilthatday
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:03 am to
Thought provoking post. Until recently the dominant culture in the USA has been based on white Western Europe values and traditions. That culture has been attacked, weakened and, in some areas, replaced. The damage seems intentional, irreversible and too often born of anger. In short, the separation has already occurred. It’s just a question of what happens next.
This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 10:08 am
Posted by Swamp Angel
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Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:03 am to
There are a couple of y'all that like to write an awful lot here. There's a simple fix for this. Make the Federal Government stick to the Constitution. Letter of the Law and not some subjective "Spirit of the Law."

If the Constitution specifically grants authority to the Federal Government in an area, then the Federal Gov't may act upon it. If, however, the Constitution does not specifically grant authority to the Federal Gov't in a particular and defined area of governance, then the federal Gov't may not enact legislation or enforce rulings in those, or any related areas.

The Republic would be just fine were it not for the self-anointed aristocracy devising ways to sidestep Constitutional limitations on the Federal Government.

"States' Rights" is not some racist dog whistle. It is a fact of our nation's history and the foundation of our constitutional form of government. It's high time that the States acted as States rather than as subservient provinces to a central government in Washington.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
Member since Dec 2025
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:03 am to
Thomas Jefferson wanted to structure in a revisit / modification opportunity of the Constitution every 19 years. Flexibility to grow with future.

Why 19 years? That’s how many slaves he banged each year. Kidding. No clue but that would have been big.
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:04 am to
why can't you fricking people ever cite your source? God knows you didn't compose that on your own, so why not credit the actual author?
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:05 am to
If you want some intelligent and well thought out responses to this you should try posting it on the poly board.
Posted by TooFyeToFly
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:06 am to
Very interesting read.

I recommend therapy.
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:07 am to
When and where does the shooting start?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:08 am to
My favorite thing with posts like this is that the OP, who is always like a mechanic from Leesville, thinks they will be included in this enlightened utopia
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:10 am to
quote:

Thought provoking post. Until recently the dominant culture in the USA has been based on white Western Europe values and traditions. That culture has been attacked, weakened and, in some areas, replaced. The damage seems intentional, irreversible and too often born of anger. In short, the separation has already occurred. It’s just a question of what happens next.



This is all true

But I think the more likely reality is just stumbling along as an increasingly dysfunctional superpower for decades more as we continue to flood the country with people who have nothing to do with it. It's an economic zone now.
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