re: 22 confirmed dead in explosion at the Ariana Grandé concert in UK

Was this guy a citizen or an immigrant? There were reports he was from a normal middle class area of a Manchester.

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That's a bit much. I fully understand they cannot be avoided in some cases, but I'd like to think we're at least trying to limit the impact on civilians.

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If you're the a Western government, their civilians aren't as valuable as yours. If they want to use civilians as cover, that's unfortunate but the bloodshed is on them.

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destroy their information, destroy the propaganda you don't destroy an ideology with war, you destroy it with knowledge

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This is beyond impossible with social media and the free flow of live information.

Had this been 50-60 years ago, yes. Today? Absolutely impossible.

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There is no point in putting boots on the ground when we can take them out with no American casualties. War with these asshats has no rules. We won't win by following rules while they don't.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. These are people who literally live among the regular population in Syria. They take over towns and cities and the civilian population is right there still. You cant just drop a bunch of bombs on innocent people caught up in their mess. How would you feel if there was an extremist group that took over your town with all your family and friends still there and our government decided to eradicate the whole place by dropping a nuke on it? Easy way out, generations of hate bred.

Again, only way to make sure things are taken care of is getting your hands dirty and making sure of it, with minimal civilian casualties and trying to build a good relationship with them, not one where the next guy up will be bringing down a building in a few years because we bombed his whole family while he was out working on his farm.

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If you're the a Western government, their civilians aren't as valuable as yours. If they want to use civilians as cover, that's unfortunate but the bloodshed is on them.

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I understand that, I just take issue with the comment that we shouldn't worry about civilian casualties. We should worry about it, and take every reasonable measure to avoid it, but we also need to understand it is unavoidable at times.

Bomb the strongholds and secure our border. That's about all we can do without just rolling through the Middle East like Rommel. Take out their defacto leaders black ops style to try and destabilize them. The only way to totally end Islamic terrorism is to somehow bring that backward arse religion out of the dark ages and join the rest of us in the present. I have zero clue how to accomplish that.

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CBS News can now confirm authorities believe the suspect responsible for the deadly Manchester Arena attack is 23-year-old Salman Abedi.

Authorities said the suspect is known to them, but wouldn’t release further details.

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Is this supposed to make it better or worse?

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Was this guy born in the Middle East or was a UK citizen who turned?

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we don't know yet

I know people want him to be an immigrant so they can push political narratives, but to me, a citizen turning is far more frightening

Nobody knows how to fix this.

These goat fricking cockroaches have been fricking up shite for centuries and they keep shitting out little goat fricking cockroaches to keep the train rolling...