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re: 162-year-old Guinness bottle found in shipwreck that could reveal original recipe
Posted on 8/8/26 at 1:03 am to BugAC
Posted on 8/8/26 at 1:03 am to BugAC
quote:I am 100% out on any spit fermented drinks. Just the thought of kava kava makes me gag.
even a "spit beer" that the ancient south american tribes used to make.
fricking gross!
Posted on 8/8/26 at 1:13 am to RougeDawg
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Huge marketing opportunity for Guinness. Roll out an 1864 brew with the "original" recipe.
I'll buy some.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:10 am to Shexter
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There's more down there
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He believes the bottle was part of a full case of 24
An Irishman can drink 24 at a night in the local pub.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:16 am to SmackoverHawg
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Huge marketing opportunity for Guinness. Roll out an 1864 brew with the "original" recipe.
I'll buy some.
They need to reproduce those bottles.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 10:32 am to udtiger
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Huge marketing opportunity for Guinness. Roll out an 1864 brew with the "original" recipe
Could use bourbon marketing and make a special reserve, non-filtered, copper distilled, masters choice, single barrel, exclusive blend, put the name and floor of the rickhouse on the label....
And jack the price up.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 12:52 pm to MountainTiger
quote:Yeah and I think people are taking “recreate” a little too literally.
Yeast has DNA, barley has DNA, hops has DNA. But it seems like you'd need more than just DNA to make the beer.
The useful part would be figuring out the specific barley varieties, hop varieties, and especially the yeast strain that were used. Guinness has extensive brewing records going back well before the 1860s, so they already know the basic recipe and can get very close to it.
What the old beer can potentially give them is biological information the written recipe may not contain, like the exact yeast. That can make a huge difference in how the beer actually tastes.
“Recreate” probably means combining the historical recipe with whatever genetic and chemical information they can recover from the beer to make something as close as possible to the original. Not that beer has some DNA code that contains the whole recipe..
Posted on 8/8/26 at 12:58 pm to MountainTiger
quote:They have written records that contain all this info. What's missing. primarily, is the specific strains of yeast and barley. That's what this could fill in.
All of that and more. How was the barley roasted? What proportions of barley were used? What was the mash temp? When were hops added? What temperature did it ferment at? How long was it aged and in what? About the only thing they know is the water but even that may have changed since then.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 3:44 pm to Shexter
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if they can recover enough DNA from the beer to produce an authentic recreation of the original stout.
If? They could produce anything and sell it as an1864 style. Who is going to be able to argue with them?
Posted on 8/8/26 at 4:18 pm to Shexter
Well it can’t be any worse than it is now. Guinness is arse
Posted on 8/9/26 at 3:20 am to HogBalls
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Well it can’t be any worse than it is now. Guinness is arse
Found the Bud Light/Ultra drinker.
Guinness on draft is God's gift to mankind.
Guinness Extra Stout is a close second.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:42 am to Shexter
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Found the Bud Light/Ultra drinker.
Coors light baw. Nectar from the gods.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:46 am to LB84
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If it was any good why would the recipe become lost?
It’s not like the brewery sank.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 2:34 pm to Shexter
Beer doesn’t have DNA. Unless they’re using it in the colloquial sense.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:36 pm to Joshjrn
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With that said, does Guinness not have this recipe sitting around somewhere?
They have the recipe, but not necessarily a genetically similar yeast strain, which will affect the flavor of the beer due to genetic drift.
Because you can clone yeast you could return much closer to the original strain and flavor, with such a discovery

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