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re: 162-year-old Guinness bottle found in shipwreck that could reveal original recipe

Posted on 8/8/26 at 1:03 am to
Posted by Onyx Aggie
Foothills of the Smokies
Member since Sep 2012
3206 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 1:03 am to
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even a "spit beer" that the ancient south american tribes used to make.
I am 100% out on any spit fermented drinks. Just the thought of kava kava makes me gag.

fricking gross!
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
31821 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 1:13 am to
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Huge marketing opportunity for Guinness. Roll out an 1864 brew with the "original" recipe.

I'll buy some.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
63970 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:10 am to
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There's more down there


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He believes the bottle was part of a full case of 24





An Irishman can drink 24 at a night in the local pub.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
117898 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:16 am to
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Huge marketing opportunity for Guinness. Roll out an 1864 brew with the "original" recipe.

I'll buy some.


They need to reproduce those bottles.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2488 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 10:32 am to
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Huge marketing opportunity for Guinness. Roll out an 1864 brew with the "original" recipe


Could use bourbon marketing and make a special reserve, non-filtered, copper distilled, masters choice, single barrel, exclusive blend, put the name and floor of the rickhouse on the label....

And jack the price up.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 8/8/26 at 10:44 am to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38720 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 12:52 pm to
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Yeast has DNA, barley has DNA, hops has DNA. But it seems like you'd need more than just DNA to make the beer.
Yeah and I think people are taking “recreate” a little too literally.

The useful part would be figuring out the specific barley varieties, hop varieties, and especially the yeast strain that were used. Guinness has extensive brewing records going back well before the 1860s, so they already know the basic recipe and can get very close to it.

What the old beer can potentially give them is biological information the written recipe may not contain, like the exact yeast. That can make a huge difference in how the beer actually tastes.

“Recreate” probably means combining the historical recipe with whatever genetic and chemical information they can recover from the beer to make something as close as possible to the original. Not that beer has some DNA code that contains the whole recipe..
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38720 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 12:58 pm to
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All of that and more. How was the barley roasted? What proportions of barley were used? What was the mash temp? When were hops added? What temperature did it ferment at? How long was it aged and in what? About the only thing they know is the water but even that may have changed since then.
They have written records that contain all this info. What's missing. primarily, is the specific strains of yeast and barley. That's what this could fill in.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2488 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 2:49 pm to
So, non-GMO?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
46257 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 3:44 pm to
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if they can recover enough DNA from the beer to produce an authentic recreation of the original stout.


If? They could produce anything and sell it as an1864 style. Who is going to be able to argue with them?
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
9385 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 4:18 pm to
Well it can’t be any worse than it is now. Guinness is arse
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
21995 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 3:20 am to
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Well it can’t be any worse than it is now. Guinness is arse


Found the Bud Light/Ultra drinker.

Guinness on draft is God's gift to mankind.
Guinness Extra Stout is a close second.
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
9385 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:42 am to
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Found the Bud Light/Ultra drinker.

Coors light baw. Nectar from the gods.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
47707 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:46 am to
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If it was any good why would the recipe become lost?


It’s not like the brewery sank.

Posted by Lou Loomis
A pond. Ponds good for you.
Member since Mar 2025
2231 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 2:34 pm to
Beer doesn’t have DNA. Unless they’re using it in the colloquial sense.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7420 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:36 pm to
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With that said, does Guinness not have this recipe sitting around somewhere?


They have the recipe, but not necessarily a genetically similar yeast strain, which will affect the flavor of the beer due to genetic drift.

Because you can clone yeast you could return much closer to the original strain and flavor, with such a discovery
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