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re: 154 Years Ago Today: The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:01 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:01 pm to Darth_Vader
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Robert E. Lee was a far greater man and American that either you or I will ever be. If you don’t beleive me, I suggest you crack open a history book and read about the man.
Regardless, he still actively went to war against the US.
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Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:04 pm to MLCLyons
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Regardless, he still actively went to war against the US.
Only because the US had gone to war against his home state of Virginia.
I know this is hard to wrap your mind around due to your modern mindset. But at that time, your home state held a far more profound meaning and importance than it does today.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:07 pm to magildachunks
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Grant is much more interesting and inspiring.
And respectable.
Grant was a drunk and struggled to take Vicksburg being held by starving confederates. He already vastly outnumbered them and still kept asking for even more troops. He was also a backstabber according to many people of the day.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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Once you do you’ll realize how stupid and ignorant people who bash and disrespect R.E. Lee sound.
who's disrespecting him or bashing him? It's a fact that he left the US to fight against it. By definition he was a traitor, regardless of how "torn" he was over the decision. I still have respect for him but to act like he's above reproach is ludicrous.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:07 pm to MLCLyons
One thing I can't figure out about Robert E. Lee is if he was such a traitor and overrated general, then why did the U.S. Navy build a nuclear submarine and name it Robert E. Lee?
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:11 pm to TejasHorn
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Had Lee gone Union at the outset (something he considered) the war would've been a lot shorter.
Most people,even confederate soldiers, didn't think the war would last more than a few weeks or months. There's no reason the north couldn't defeat the south quickly. One of the reasons why people are still fascinated with Lee to this day along with some of the other southern generals. The north had everything it should have had to crush the south quickly.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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General Robert E. Lee...meets General Ulysses S. Grant at the Appomattox Courthouse to formally surrender the Army of Northern Virginia.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 5:55 pm to GarmischTiger
Fun fact-Wilmer McLean also owned the farm where the first major battle took place at Bull Run.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:12 pm to MLCLyons
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who's disrespecting him or bashing him? It's a fact that he left the US to fight against it. By definition he was a traitor, regardless of how "torn" he was over the decision. I still have respect for him but to act like he's above reproach is ludicrous.
George Washington, John Paul Jones, etc. etc.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:15 pm to guydiamond
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Traitor
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:19 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:Using that definition, George Washington was a traitor as well.
The average American isn’t leading an army against America. I’m not criticizing him as a man, but he was by definition a traitor.
Just stop. The issues are much more complex than you are making them out to be.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:27 pm to MLCLyons
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Regardless, he still actively went to war against the US.
People are complex creatures. Yes, he decided to lead the Confederate army, but he was, by all means, an honorable man.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:30 pm to GarmischTiger
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He surrendered at Appomattox Courthouse (a village) in the home of Wilmer McLean.
I know, I've visited there.
Balled my eyes out.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:37 pm to DeafJam73
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Yes, he decided to lead the Confederate army, but he was, by all means, an honorable man.
didn't read through this mess, ain't nobody got time fa dat! but did anyone bring up how Arlington Cemetery came to be? Yankee tPOS!!
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:41 pm to Darth_Vader
My Dixie Wrecked
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:47 pm to 1BamaRTR
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but he was by definition a traitor.
How did the Constitution define "citizenship" at the time of the Civil War? Is there anything in the Constitution at that time about being a citizen of the United States vs. a citizen of a particular state? Why wasn't he tried for "treason" besides, of course, that Grant did not support it? The truth is it was not pursued because it was not an argument the Government could win. Lee was a citizen of Virginia. It wasn't until after the Civil War in the 14th Amendment that the idea of being a citizen of the United States was addressed in the Constitution. The first section of the fourteenth amendment opens with a definition of citizenship—not only citizenship of the United States, but citizenship of the States. No such definition was previously found in the Constitution, nor had any attempt been made to define it by act of Congress. It had been said by the courts that no man was a citizen of the United States, except as he was a citizen of one of the States composing the Union.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:47 pm to OweO
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Besides someone trying to throw shade at me in order to gain acceptance on a message board..
Who the frick do you think you are?
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:53 pm to MLCLyons
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who's disrespecting him or bashing him? It's a fact that he left the US to fight against it. By definition he was a traitor, regardless of how "torn" he was over the decision. I still have respect for him but to act like he's above reproach is ludicrous.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, William Harry Lee, all traitors that followed their State’s wishes. But Lee can’t be held in the same regard?
Thank God the United States Military Academy doesn’t agree.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 6:59 pm to windshieldman
Many of the tales about Grant being a drunk were just tales. He was a fine General who understood what it took to win the war for the Union. The South would not be easily conquered, and he knew that the suffering was his biggest weapon to demoralize the army and populace. Lee is somewhat overrated as a general in my opinion. Several huge gambles he took paid off because of inferior leadership in the Union ranks at the beginning of the war. Thomas J Jackson, William T. Sherman, and Nathan Bedford Forrest are the most interesting characters in the Civil War, in my opinion.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 7:01 pm to Darth_Vader
Darth, great book about Gen. Lee’s own personal thoughts before, during, and after the war is called Recollections and Letters of General Robert E. Lee.
Most of the letters in the book are to his wife. Incredibly fascinating.
- R.E. Lee
Most of the letters in the book are to his wife. Incredibly fascinating.
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I will devote myself to the defense and service of my native State, in whose behalf alone would I have ever drawn my sword
- R.E. Lee
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