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re: 15 year old girl shot dead while driving in Glen Oaks (BR) neighborhood
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:37 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:37 am to Topwater Trout
People who investigate homicides are the same way.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:37 am to Lsupimp
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Or it could simply be "Thug Fatigue" and a familiarity with the crime statistics that have made vast swaths of our city festering shitholes of crime , violence and dysfunction. And while I enjoyed the self-righteousness of your sermon, I also understand that once these kids decide they are in "the game" this or jail is almost always the outcome. And cutting through the sentimentality and looking at it with the cold skepticism of truth, I would also say it is highly likely that society lost nothing yesterday except for future victims of her reckless decisions. I am sad for America that there are so many dysfunctional predators that victimize each other. But I do not cry for them, or take sanctimonious defenses of them and their choices seriously. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
I understand what you are saying, as well as the crime statistics that plague our area. You can both condemn her actions and those that raised her while empathizing for a 15 year old that clearly was led down a shitty path. I don't see how anyone can argue that showing empathy for children that make bad decisions and suffer the consequences makes the situation worse. If anything, I think it helps promote the change we all seek.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:38 am to AlexLSU
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This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:39 am to 805tiger
exactly. I don't think anyone thinks "yes a young girl died lets make tasteless jokes about it" is happy she is dead its just how some people cope when bad things happen.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:39 am to Lsupimp
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Or it could simply be "Thug Fatigue" and a familiarity with the crime statistics that have made vast swaths of our city festering shitholes of crime , violence and dysfunction. And while I enjoyed the self-righteousness of your sermon, I also understand that once these kids decide they are in "the game" this or jail is almost always the outcome. And cutting through the sentimentality and looking at it with the cold skepticism of truth, I would also say it is highly likely that society lost nothing yesterday except for future victims of her reckless decisions. I am sad for America that there are so many dysfunctional predators that victimize each other. But I do not cry for them, or take sanctimonious defenses of them and their choices seriously
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:40 am to SaturdayTraditions
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So far, police believe there was an “interaction” between two groups in the 5100 Oaklan. At some point shots were fired and the teen was struck.
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Investigators do not know if the teen was the intended target.
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Officials say Au’mircle Mcelwee was in her vehicle at the time when she was struck. The car then started moving, but crashed a short distance later at the intersection of Oaklan and Winchester.
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She was pronounced dead at the scene.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:47 am to WallsAllAroundMe
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So, this is my first post on this thread, and yeah, the comments about the young girl are pretty harsh. With that said, look at her pictures. She was trying to live the thug lifestyle. You seem to bring up a point as this choice was not her fault due to your reasons above. Then whose fault is it? I would say lack of decent parenting.
No offense, but I'm not reading the entirety of your post. I'm in no way saying that what happened to her isn't her fault in some way. I'm a firm believer that we as individuals are in control of our lives and the decisions we make. Until you take full responsibility for your own life and the choices you make, you won't change.
That said, it's pretty obvious that making good decisions is harder when you grow up in a shitty neighborhood with bad influences than growing up in a nice neighborhood with good influences. The road to success is simply bumpier for those in the former scenario.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:53 am to AlexLSU
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That said, it's pretty obvious that making good decisions is harder when you grow up in a shitty neighborhood with bad influences than growing up in a nice neighborhood with good influences. The road to success is simply bumpier for those in the former scenario.
bullshite.
Many of these people choose the path of least resistance. It is much easier to not work. It is much easier to not go to school. It is much easier to make a quick dollar selling drugs than it is to apply yourself. It is much easier to be looked upon as a drug dealer, gang banger or whatever you want to call it rather than someone who is a "square."
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:59 am to meauxjeaux2
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:03 am to WallsAllAroundMe
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ou see, I will assume many of us here agree that at some point, someone needs to own up to THEIR choices and stop pushing the blame around. That, I believe, is the problem many people, who are not from the "hood," feel like the real problem is the parenting, but god forbid anyone ever admits it is the fault of the parents. These parents need to be held accountable at some point. I would like to assume that the posts disregarding the fact that a 15 year old life was lost, are really lashing out because they are sick of hearing about these kinds of killings that in the end, could mostly be prevented if the parents gave a damn.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:06 am to AlexLSU
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I understand what you are saying, as well as the crime statistics that plague our area. You can both condemn her actions and those that raised her while empathizing for a 15 year old that clearly was led down a shitty path. I don't see how anyone can argue that showing empathy for children that make bad decisions and suffer the consequences makes the situation worse. If anything, I think it helps promote the change we all seek.
People have empathy, but they prioritize that empathy. And while the death of a 15 year old thug/predator might be worthy to reflect on, it doesn't rise to say that of a kid who has cancer at St. Jude. You look at the pictures of this girl and you know how her story was going to end, whether it is this week or next year.
I'm going to reserve my empathy on this one for the good kids who she went to school with and who live in her neighborhood. My empathy is for those she undoubtedly intimidated and threatened and otherwise victimized. The ones who aren't "in the game" and who live life with respect for the rights of others, not for those shooting guns at each other.
And by the way, a large part of this "Thug Fatigue" that people here feel has to do with the cynical racist crap that the "leaders" of her "community" hurl at us any time we suggest that there is a solution to this problem . The one that has to do with the proven American formula for success; Family, Education and hard work. A government check,not knowing where your Dad is, unlimited excuses and a Race Grievance Industry that seeks to normalize this behavior is creating this same scenario tens of thousands of times per year. This is a social pathology designed and implemented by Liberalism post 1964. But if we offer an opinion we are told to "stay woke" and threatened. So excuse us if our empathy wanes accordingly. We aren't the problem and our solution has been ignored an condemned. So we shift our empathy to productive people who respect the rights of others.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:06 am to Ed Osteen
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Ed Osteen
get over the driving issue already.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:07 am to phil good
You're a few hours late, try to keep up
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:09 am to Will Cover
Had she been killed by the police, you wouldn't be able to shut that d bag up.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:10 am to Will Cover
Shame. Wonder what the story is behind this one. A 15 year old doesn't get shot up just for nothing.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:14 am to Topwater Trout
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its pitiful that kids drop out before high school and its likely the mother is on government assistance to begin with...and she was setting up her daughter for the same success. If anything is pitiful its that the parents didn't give a shite.
I've seen it as a doctor, honestly. Those silly names often come from fifteen and sixteen year old girls. People shouldn't be having kids that young. They drop out of high school usually and the whole situation, unless that girl has amazing family support (rare), is generally depressing.
Here's a memorable story: I was doing a milestone evaluation on a child for a program that helps young kids better socialize, start learning colors, numbers, etc., and really just "catch up" with other kids their age. In a lot of cases the kid himself was not impaired in any way, but the parenting was poor so there were serious issues... To the point of neglect. Anyway this little boy was really shy but seemed like a very sweet kid. However, he was 18 months old and couldn't say enough words for that age. So I moved onto the next question about putting together short sentences, and was surprised when his mom indicated that he could. This surprised me since he was already not meeting an earlier language milestone. I asked her what he could say, and her response was, "you get away from me." The mom and her friend burst out laughing about this and I started laughing too, because frankly it was such an absurd thing for this kid to be able to say. But then I thought about it for another second and realized that it was actually very sad. That mom was sixteen. That kid's future is already f$&ked.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:32 am to Will Cover
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Many of these people choose the path of least resistance. It is much easier to not work. It is much easier to not go to school. It is much easier to make a quick dollar selling drugs than it is to apply yourself. It is much easier to be looked upon as a drug dealer, gang banger or whatever you want to call it rather than someone who is a "square."
will, you are good people... i like you, and to a point, i somewhat agree with your point... but you can't negate the fact that an environment without support and nuture will only bring forth situations that are not conducive to success for young people... and that's not a race issue... that's a life in general issue...
i've very grateful that i was brought up in a traditional family unit, that had my best interest in mind, which expected a lot of me, pushed me to succeed, and helped me along my path as much as possible... but had my situation from early on been different, like had my dad split when he got my mom pregnant at 16 (which actually happened, but he married my mom instead) who knows where i might be today...
it's a societal problem, and though it seems more prevalent, and hell it might be more prevalent in some areas, in some races vs. others, when you have a fricked up situation without support from the get go, you are way, way behind the 8 ball in life in general...
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:36 am to AlexLSU
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The lack of empathy on this board for people, especially children, that come from different backgrounds and are raised under different circumstances doesn't surprise me, but it's still pretty pitiful to see.
Probably because this scenario plays out almost every day and people have become immune to it.
The anger should be placed on the parents however, that's where the failure has come. But nothing will change.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:42 am to chRxis
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but you can't negate the fact that an environment without support and nuture will only bring forth situations that are not conducive to success for young people... and that's not a race issue... that's a life in general issue...
Statistically speaking you are incorrect.
11 year old
another 11 year old
you just can't skip around this fact anymore as insensitive it is.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 2:31 pm to chRxis
You can't build a good house without a decent foundation. Most of what we would call human decency and responsibility is learned by the time we are pre-school age. The only hope for kids who are born into less than ideal circumstances is to get them out of that environment as soon as possible.
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