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re: $15 minimum wage directly contributing to fast-food industry's automation push
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:23 am to SantaFe
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:23 am to SantaFe
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begs the question of what do we do with all of the unskilled labor that finds themselves out of a job? The answer would be that the would have to be trained in some other skill, but I fear there would be a large segment of that population that is untrainable to a higher skill career.
The only people that "should" be untrainable to a higher skill career, are those with mental and physical deformities.
Everyone else, with enough time, dedication, and teaching talent, should be able to develop higher-level skills.
The mentally and physically disabled will lifelong assistance, which isn't that much different from what happens today.
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:25 am to member12
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What about the small businesses that can't afford to automate?
they go out of business. It's why giant companies like Walmart advocated for a higher minimum wage, and then promptly replaced their cashiers with banks of self-checkouts. It's a win-win for them. now they pay one person $15/hour to watch the checkouts, instead of paying 20 people $12/hour to do the work, and mom and pop shop down the street are forced to close shop.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:25 am to carhartt
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What did the Lefties expect? Did they actually think fast food restaurants we’re gonna pay $15/hr to a full staff of people.
That's exactly what they expect.
They would like for the cost of labor to go up but for the price of burgers and number of workers to stay exactly the same. They believe (it's semi-religious) that the workers are being exploited by large corporations colluding to keep worker salary low and executive pay high.
Is this the case? No. Fast food restaurants have innumerable competitors. As someone else mentioned, minimum wage laws actually price out their smaller competitors.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:26 am to LSUFanHouston
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Everyone else, with enough time, dedication, and teaching talent, should be able to develop higher-level skills.
Not when you can get paid by Uncle Sugar to sit at home and sell drugs.
Just takes the right doctor and a "chronic back problem".
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:28 am to The Torch
quote:Our Target and Walmart are about 50/50 now and steadily pushing for self checkout to take over the majority. Literally 1 human standing in the self checkout area to oversee up to 8 lines.
Our local Walmart removed all cashiers and is 100% auto check out
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:29 am to goofball
Wow, so a former CEO that raked in millions of dollars and likely got a golden parachute when he left the company blames potential automation on the company potentially having to pay its front line workers more.
Never saw that coming.
Never saw that coming.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:30 am to goofball
They'd rather pay to automate and maintain those than pay people better smdh.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:31 am to Mike da Tigah
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As is society when it supports anything BUT local small business. Truth of the matter is that society has to keys to end all of this tomorrow if it so chose to by refusing to support big business and industry by buying local and supporting their local economies and small businesses therein. IOW, McDonalds would evaporate tomorrow if everyone stopped going to McDonalds.
There's a Burger King in St. Bernard that has absolutely, amazingly bad service. 99 percent or more of their drive thru orders end with "pull around and wait".
When the food does eventually arrive, it is often incorrect, cold, etc.
The employees all have horrible attitudes.
At least once a week, someone will post on social media about "how is this allowed to happen! How are they still in business! How has corporate not forced a franchise change!"
Yet, every time I pass by, there are three or four cars, sitting, waiting for their food.
Thing is this... many people want "fast" food... even if it's not as fast as they want it... the global companies still produce it faster - and cheaper - than the mom and pops do.
So sitting an extra 4 min after you pulled around at BK may seem frustrating. But it's $7 for a meal, and that's cheaper - and quicker - than any local business is doing.
I also went to a local place, well known place, on Friday evening. Order at counter kind of place. Had 25 people in line when I got there. Waited 10 min, line never moved. I walked out.
People don't support small business because all too often, it's simply a more expensive, slower version of the big business service.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:32 am to Centinel
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Not when you can get paid by Uncle Sugar to sit at home and sell drugs.
Just takes the right doctor and a "chronic back problem".
I said "should".
Government intervention will always subvert that.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:36 am to goofball
Hell yea! Bring it on I say. Those places have become hangouts for thugs of the lowest order and the workers treat the customers like garbage (besides Chick-Fil-A). I'd bet if they automated everything and just had about 3 workers in there making more money but making sure things went smoothly those places would be way better.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:37 am to The Spleen
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Wow, so a former CEO that raked in millions of dollars and likely got a golden parachute when he left the company blames potential automation on the company potentially having to pay its front line workers more.
Never saw that coming.
Who should get to decide how much a CEO gets paid? Government in an arbitrary fashion?
Who gets to decide what a living wage is? Same?
Has it ever been shown that government can increase worker pay without downstream consequences, such as increased price of goods (in this case burgers that are disproportionately purchased by poor people) or worker layoffs?
No.
Does this stop the believers from praying to their savior, Lord Government? No.
If the government could legislate people out of poverty, we'd have cured it by now.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:40 am to TheFitfulFire
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They'd rather pay to automate and maintain those than pay people better smdh.
Yes, because it's better for the company and better for the customer.
Everyone (who matters) wins.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:42 am to goofball
The app is so much easier than any other option.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:47 am to LSUFanHouston
Yep, most people don't care enough to put those businesses feet to the fire.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:50 am to carhartt
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They are some delusional idiots.
Well what did you really expect. People to live off minimum wage so you can get your cheeseburger for half a dollar less while the government inflates away the dollar?
This isn't realistic. None of it is. It's why corporations send their manufacturing to the third world. You want something more affordable/cheaper then you got it.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:14 am to carhartt
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What did the Lefties expect? Did they actually think
No
Lefties don't think
They feel
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:16 am to member12
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What about the small businesses that can't afford to automate?
That's the whole point.
Huge corporations can afford the r&d and implementation of automation to get around using the $15 per hour employees, and your small business cannot.
Your small business goes out of business, and Huge arse Eats, Inc. buys what is left of the small business and opens up another international chain in its place.
They are collaterally attacking the auto industry and the food industry as we speak, and they will take over both if we don't do something fast.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:30 am to goofball
Fast Food Automation is nothing new......many. many years ago ( and in what seems like a different life) I was with Taco Bell. Back then everything was very labor intensive. At the store level Taco shredded it's own cheese, lettuce, diced every tomato, fried every taco shell, cooked its own ground meat and beans and even sliced whole olives into 3 pieces. I remember when we all got pulled into a meeting and was told that they had conducted studies which showed that 1) the minimum wage labor force was projected to become unstable in the next several decades, and 2) that the industry was going to be moving to automation. I left shortly thereafter and returned to school - - but since that time NOTHING is prepped or prepared at the store level. Everything comes pre-cooked. This first level of automation naturally eliminated the need for workers.
But it isn't just fast food. I can remember a time when one never pumped their own gas and self-service gas pumps started to slowly become an option at full-service stations....then eventually, there was no distinguishing them as " self-service" - - everyone pumped their own gas.
And of course, the grocery industry trained us how to bag our own groceries and take them to the car ourselves.....the retail industry has trained us to be our own cashiers.
Every low paying job is being eliminated....some may think this is good, others may think this is bad...but my point is that this is nothing new and any time corporations can figure out a way to eliminate labor it will.
But it isn't just fast food. I can remember a time when one never pumped their own gas and self-service gas pumps started to slowly become an option at full-service stations....then eventually, there was no distinguishing them as " self-service" - - everyone pumped their own gas.
And of course, the grocery industry trained us how to bag our own groceries and take them to the car ourselves.....the retail industry has trained us to be our own cashiers.
Every low paying job is being eliminated....some may think this is good, others may think this is bad...but my point is that this is nothing new and any time corporations can figure out a way to eliminate labor it will.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:33 am to goofball
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Former McDonald's CEO warns $15 minimum wage directly contributing to fast-food industry's automation push
bullshite
They had order kiosks in their stores 10 years ago. Automation was always going to be the end goal.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:35 am to goofball
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Former McDonald's CEO warns $15 minimum wage directly contributing to fast-food industry's automation push
Obvious stupidity is obvious
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