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re: What’s to stop a qb from throwing the ball backwards once
Posted on 9/16/26 at 11:35 am to Delta9
Posted on 9/16/26 at 11:35 am to Delta9
This is patently false. If the throwing motion occurs prior to contact from the defender, then the call is incomplete pass.
But if the defense makes contact prior to the throwing motion, then it would be a fumble.
But if the defense makes contact prior to the throwing motion, then it would be a fumble.
Posted on 9/16/26 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is where "intent" matters
If we are to take “logic” into account…which is sure what this rule had in mind…all potential pass attempts would be “intended” to throw the ball forwards.
The call on the field, which is subjective to an official’s ruling, was that it was a fumble. But of course, the QB didn’t intend to fumble, so it was later ruled an incomplete pass.
The NFL rules committee can’t get out of their own way with some of these rule determinations…
They should have just left the ruling on the field as is, but since they always have to over complicate reviews….they went by the letter of their rule(which should not have been in place originally).
It was a complete clusterfrick and they know it. The only way to save face is to just refer to the poorly planned rule they had.
Posted on 9/16/26 at 2:25 pm to TechTiger
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If we are to take “logic” into account…which is sure what this rule had in mind…all potential pass attempts would be “intended” to throw the ball forwards.
Basically, unless it's a fantasy scenario like in OP, which is why the intentional part is important.
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The call on the field, which is subjective to an official’s ruling, was that it was a fumble. But of course, the QB didn’t intend to fumble, so it was later ruled an incomplete pass.
This is not a correct summary of the facts.
Posted on 9/16/26 at 3:00 pm to nicholastiger
I haven't been following the NFL much since the Rams no-call, so rules may have changed, but my biggest problem is that Goff's arm wasn't even close to moving forward for a pass when the ball was knocked out. If a QB starts his windup and loses the ball while his hand is moving backwards, I'm pretty sure that's a fumble. If his arm starts moving forward and the ball slips out, then it's incomplete. So I could have sworn that the arm moving forward was a major component in the fumble situation.
People keep ragging on the "intent" thing. It's poorly worded, but I get it. I've seen a QBs arm moving forward for a pass, defenders knocking the ball out, the ball moving backwards, and it's incomplete. I have no issues there, and I understand the use of "intent" in this context. But Goff's arm was NOT moving forward yet, so I don't understand why intent matters.
People keep ragging on the "intent" thing. It's poorly worded, but I get it. I've seen a QBs arm moving forward for a pass, defenders knocking the ball out, the ball moving backwards, and it's incomplete. I have no issues there, and I understand the use of "intent" in this context. But Goff's arm was NOT moving forward yet, so I don't understand why intent matters.
Posted on 9/17/26 at 1:04 am to Weekend Warrior79
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The rule is in place and was correctly applied; however, they need to fix the rule ASAP.
The rule is internally inconsistent, requires reading minds, and technically absurd.
A physically backwards pass is not a forward pass, even definitionally. Why in the name of christ would you have a rule requiring the contextual divining of a player's intent in order to go out of the way to make a backwards pass a forward one? Reading the rules to make a backwards pass into a forward pass is patently offensive and leads to illogical and absurd results.
There is no justification for that ruling even by "the rules," which say a pass is forward if the ball moves to the opponent's goal line. Even the rule saying an affected passer making where the ball lands irrelevant leads to an absurd result in calling a backwards pass a forward one.
This post was edited on 9/17/26 at 1:11 am
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