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What Jon Gruden Told the Saints About Coaching Derek Carr

Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted by hellsu
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Jon Gruden popping into the Saints’ facility last week got the attention of plenty of folks—mostly because he’s been off the radar since resigning in Vegas, but the idea behind it made all the sense in the world. New Orleans actually had plans to bring Gruden in earlier in the offseason, with the purpose of discussing how the former Raiders coach built an offense for Derek Carr and just talking football in general.

It was first going to be in April, but Saints coach Dennis Allen told Gruden he really wanted to be a part of these meetings, and draft meetings during that time would make it impossible. Then, it was going to be earlier this month, before Gruden had to postpone for family reasons.

So it happened last week. Gruden arrived in Louisiana late Tuesday. GM Mickey Loomis took him and Allen out to dinner that night at the Four Seasons in the French Quarter, and then Gruden came to practice Wednesday and Thursday. After practice Thursday, the group dove in on Carr, with Gruden spending five and a half hours with Allen, offensive coordinator Pete Carmichae and the offensive coaches. The quarterbacks popped in when then could, and the discussion flowed easy.
“In Jon, we have a resource here that is football through and through,” Allen told me over the phone Saturday. “And he’s had an opportunity to work with Derek Carr. “So what better [way to use that] resource than to just get some thoughts and ideas on how he worked with Derek and what he thought worked well with Derek?”
By all accounts, the time spent was worthwhile. Gruden had what seemed like thousands of ideas, and a lot of those dovetailed with what the Saints do offensively—remember, Sean Payton was Gruden’s quarterbacks coach when Gruden was Eagles OC in 1997, so the bones of the offense Payton built in New Orleans with Carmichael are familiar to Gruden.

Still, the next morning, Allen went in and reminded Carmichael that he wanted the Saints’ offense to remain the Saints’ offense. What Gruden could give New Orleans in tweaking it was a feel for what he thought Carr was best at, which could help inform Carmichael on what to emphasize within it and how to best call it on game day to make Carr comfortable.

And for what it’s worth, the difference Carr’s made in the building this offseason has been palpable. The hope is the level of expectation, in the locker room, will rise as a result.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:51 pm to
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that night at the Four Seasons in the French Quarter


Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:01 pm to
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that night at the Four Seasons in the French Quarter


Dining on the Benson dime.
Posted by bstaceyau19
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:05 pm to
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that night at the Four Seasons in the French Quarter


Only if the French Quarter extends all the way to Poydras Street.
Posted by tibebecolston
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:56 pm to
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Only if the French Quarter extends all the way to Poydras Street.


Bro, we get it that it’s 4 blocks away but you’re gonna be ok.
Posted by John McClane
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 12:46 am to
Jesus, this just tells me how terrible Pete truly is.
Posted by Delusional
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 2:24 am to
I'd feel better with Gruden as OC. Pete C. is going to hold the offense back.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 8:18 am to
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I'd feel better with Gruden as OC. Pete C. is going to hold the offense back.


I don't disagree after I saw the play calling last year.
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:05 am to
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Still, the next morning, Allen went in and reminded Carmichael that he wanted the Saints’ offense to remain the Saints’ offense. What Gruden could give New Orleans in tweaking it was a feel for what he thought Carr was best at, which could help inform Carmichael on what to emphasize within it and how to best call it on game day to make Carr comfortable.


This is what I took away from the article. They brought Gruden in to get his view on how to utilize Carr's strengths in the Saints offense. Carmichael had to operate an offense without a starter quality QB. Besides Olave's 72 recs. not one other wr caught more than 28 passes. Kamara with 223 rush atts. did not break off a run of more than 27 yds. You have to have the horses to operate a successful offense and I like the direction they have taken with personnel. I think the team has a much better wr and rb room this year than last. Breer also said that Allen made it a point that Carmichael would not be operating a Gruden offense but adding some of Gruden"s concepts with Carr to the mix of play calling.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:31 am to
This whole Gruden encounter just affirms my thought that Carmichael is not an OC. He is a OC assistant/QB coach and it somewhat sounds like that is how the current saints brass see him as well.

Posted by Circle G84
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:39 am to
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Kamara with 223 rush atts. did not break off a run of more than 27 yds.


I just hope our once deadly use of screens makes a resurrection in what the Saints do this season. I hope Carmichael can mold an identity for both the Saints and himself while utilizing our player's strengths and skill sets.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
7574 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:51 am to
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that night at the Four Seasons in the French Quarter.
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Dining on the Benson dime.
Why not? That's what the Benson dime is for, it's being used on business purposes anyways.
But that's not what caught my attention, I was thinking that they couldn't bring the man to a better area than the damn French Quarters. Smh Are they trying to get Gruden shot.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2184 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 1:10 pm to
Gruden is a homophobic racist - why take him to the FQ?

You want to impress - take him to Ye Olde College Inn and let Blancher wine and dine him with his plans for regaining Anglo supremacy in New Orleans
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 1:33 pm to
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This whole Gruden encounter just affirms my thought that Carmichael is not an OC. He is a OC assistant/QB coach and it somewhat sounds like that is how the current saints brass see him as well.



In all fairness Carmichael had vey little to work with last year. Dalton as a starting QB. After Olave's 72 recs. not another wr had more than 28 recs. Latavius Murray was given the opportunity to be the featured back on another team so he left and all you had behind a hobbled Kamara was weak and washed out rbs. On top of that an injury riddled o-line. There should be no excuses with what they have put together this year. I'm sure if the offense doesn't produce Carmichael is gone and likely DA along with him.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 1:45 pm to
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Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:04 pm to
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Gruden is a homophobic racist - why take him to the FQ?

You want to impress - take him to Ye Olde College Inn and let Blancher wine and dine him with his plans for regaining Anglo supremacy in New Orleans












Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
5631 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 8:56 pm to
I'm sure Goodell loves the idea of Gruden working with the Saints. Is it possible to slap the Saints with a fine before the season starts?
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
17793 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 9:47 pm to
Four Seasons in the French Quarter?

Close but not quite.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3466 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 12:21 pm to
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Still, the next morning, Allen went in and reminded Carmichael that he wanted the Saints’ offense to remain the Saints’ offense


This is also a strange interaction. Did Allen have to give Pete some kind of vote of confidence after Gruden left? If Carmichael showed any outward appearance of "owning" the offense then this would not have been a necessary communication.

I am all for Carmichael succeeding but there is something amiss with him exuding confidence that he has the ability to be the top dog of the offense. My guess is that bringing Gruden in was as much, or more to help Carmichael than Carr. They just needed to make it sound like it was for Carr.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
77168 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:47 pm to
Oh I think it was 100% to help Pete. Keep Pete from wasting time going down a wrong road with Carr. I wish they could put John on staff tbh.
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