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There’s no point in anyone being the starter except Shough
Posted on 8/5/25 at 8:45 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 8:45 am
The Saints obviously don’t think Rattler is the guy or they wouldn’t have drafted Shough. You are rebuilding, start the rookie and ride this season out and see what he’s capable of.
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Posted on 8/5/25 at 8:46 am to L5ut1g3r
Bridgewater is ready
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:08 am to L5ut1g3r
Or let them battle it out, earn the starting role and then see what the winner has. This idea that you just write off the rest on your roster simply because you drafted someone is idiotic. We are on the path to find our next franchise QB, not to be doing stupid shite and just handing starting roles to those who have not earned it.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:21 am to Midget Death Squad
Agreed.
It’s not a bad thing for a rookie to sit and learn for a few games or year or two. If Rattler is the better QB now, let him play. If Shough never overtakes him, that’s fine too. Brees had to battle Doug Flutie for playing time. Mahomes had to sit behind Alex Smith. Nothing wrong with a guy sitting and having to earn playing time.
It’s not a bad thing for a rookie to sit and learn for a few games or year or two. If Rattler is the better QB now, let him play. If Shough never overtakes him, that’s fine too. Brees had to battle Doug Flutie for playing time. Mahomes had to sit behind Alex Smith. Nothing wrong with a guy sitting and having to earn playing time.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:27 am to Midget Death Squad
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Or let them battle it out, earn the starting role and then see what the winner has. This idea that you just write off the rest on your roster simply because you drafted someone is idiotic. We are on the path to find our next franchise QB, not to be doing stupid shite and just handing starting roles to those who have not earned it.
They are definitely in competition, but the organization should definitely want Shough to be the starter. If Rattler absolutely blows Shough out of the water…..so be it. But if it’s close, then Shough needs to start.
If they are close (after Ratter getting significant playing time last year), then Shough is ahead. Start Shough, give him a long runway to see if you need to draft a QB in the 1st next yr. Still a long way to go in camp though.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:30 am to L5ut1g3r
I'm sure they will be smart about it.
Unlike the previous staff
When Carr was out there were weeks where they spilt the reps in practice.
shite like that will leave the players not really believing in you.
Unlike the previous staff
When Carr was out there were weeks where they spilt the reps in practice.
shite like that will leave the players not really believing in you.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:37 am to L5ut1g3r
You don't dump all your qbs because of a second round pick.
And you leave out the elephant in the room. The players and to a lesser extent the coaches. This is their jobs, their careers and their health. Every play is a resume for the next job. They do not want to lose like many fans wish for a better draft pic. The players know who the better qb is and if you start someone else you are creating your own future team problems. Your idea tells the players you don't care about winning game to game but for something later in the future. A disaster for a new coach trying to build a winning culture.
Just because Ratt may be in the lead to start game 1 doesn't mean it stays that way.
And you leave out the elephant in the room. The players and to a lesser extent the coaches. This is their jobs, their careers and their health. Every play is a resume for the next job. They do not want to lose like many fans wish for a better draft pic. The players know who the better qb is and if you start someone else you are creating your own future team problems. Your idea tells the players you don't care about winning game to game but for something later in the future. A disaster for a new coach trying to build a winning culture.
Just because Ratt may be in the lead to start game 1 doesn't mean it stays that way.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:38 am to L5ut1g3r
They are going to give Shough every opportunity to establish himself as the starter. However, the HC does owe an obligation to the other players on the team to try to win. If it's pretty clear Rattler gives the team the much better opportunity to do so, I think Moore goes with him.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:46 am to infantry1026
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after Ratter getting significant playing time last year
Maybe the worst situation a rookie qb has been placed in for a a decade plus.
The oline and “weapons” were off the street.
Not saying the guy was good just that the “significant” playing time wouldn’t allow you to really know anything when you’re running for your life and nobody can get open. Shough’s investment was fairly minimal for a franchise qb.
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:51 am to L5ut1g3r
What a stupid take
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:52 am to L5ut1g3r
49ers made an all time dumb move in giving up a shitload to move up and then drafting Trey Lance #3 overall. No one cares as much because they hit on Purdy.
If you drafted Shough but Rattler wins the job and turns out to be good (not saying he will), no one will care about "wasting" a 2nd round pick on Shough.
You don't know how the Saints using a 2nd rounder on a QB effected Rattler's preparation and mindset for the better.
Everything is about getting a QB. If you get one and it works out, none of what you did to achieve that matters
If you drafted Shough but Rattler wins the job and turns out to be good (not saying he will), no one will care about "wasting" a 2nd round pick on Shough.
You don't know how the Saints using a 2nd rounder on a QB effected Rattler's preparation and mindset for the better.
Everything is about getting a QB. If you get one and it works out, none of what you did to achieve that matters
Posted on 8/5/25 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
Its amazing.
we have 3 qbs on rookie contracts all with a first year head coach installing a new system and damn if i say, i think all 3 qb's are holding up pretty well and showing talent on the field. Sure, there's mistakes and some ints but its not been anything absurd. we haven't brought in 1 veteran qb into the fold. That speaks volumes. The race between Shough and Rattler and even Haener having very capable performances are all good news and its making the entire qb room and team better. its a healthy competition with good blood between the guys handling it well.
we have 3 qbs on rookie contracts all with a first year head coach installing a new system and damn if i say, i think all 3 qb's are holding up pretty well and showing talent on the field. Sure, there's mistakes and some ints but its not been anything absurd. we haven't brought in 1 veteran qb into the fold. That speaks volumes. The race between Shough and Rattler and even Haener having very capable performances are all good news and its making the entire qb room and team better. its a healthy competition with good blood between the guys handling it well.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:01 am to Chad504boy
Yeah and if these guys suck you draft one again next year. That's just what you do.
Regardless I have said for a long time what I think happens.
Rattler starts the season and is the starter for 8-10 games, Shough finishes off the rest of the season
We will see though
Regardless I have said for a long time what I think happens.
Rattler starts the season and is the starter for 8-10 games, Shough finishes off the rest of the season
We will see though
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
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If you drafted Shough but Rattler wins the job and turns out to be good (not saying he will), no one will care about "wasting" a 2nd round pick on Shough. You don't know how the Saints using a 2nd rounder on a QB effected Rattler's preparation and mindset for the better. Everything is about getting a QB. If you get one and it works out, none of what you did to achieve that matters
Spot on here. Been saying this for a few weeks now. A 2nd and a 5th is NOTHING if the end result is a good starting qb.
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:44 am to St Augustine
I still think it was stupid and a mistake drafting Shough that high. Made several threads about it after the draft.
If Rattler starts most of the year then yes it was very stupid. Could have locked down another position of need on the team this year, gave Rattler his chance with a healthy team and if he fails, pick at the top of the 1st of a much better qb class in ‘26.
If Rattler starts most of the year then yes it was very stupid. Could have locked down another position of need on the team this year, gave Rattler his chance with a healthy team and if he fails, pick at the top of the 1st of a much better qb class in ‘26.
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 11:03 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 10:56 am to L5ut1g3r
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The Saints obviously don’t think Rattler is the guy or they wouldn’t have drafted Shough. You are rebuilding, start the rookie and ride this season out and see what he’s capable of.
Dummy, Rattler is the starting QB at this moment and Haener is outperforming Shough right now. Tyler isn't ready. Rattler is.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:00 am to L5ut1g3r
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There’s no point in anyone being the starter except Shough
All 3 quarterbacks will get starts this year.
Get used to it.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:18 am to L5ut1g3r
Shough hasn't shoughed me enough yet to start.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:27 am to brewdrees
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Shough hasn't shoughed me enough yet to start.
He won't beat out Rattler for the starting job in week 1.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:44 am to L5ut1g3r
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The Saints obviously don’t think Rattler is the guy or they wouldn’t have drafted Shough. You are rebuilding, start the rookie and ride this season out and see what he’s capable of.
If there is any indication that Shough COULD (not guaranteed to be) be a franchise QB, then the right thing to do is give him the job when it benefits him the most to get it.
If that's week 1 in the face of winning games, who cares.
If it's week 8 after he's more ready to take on the job and won't be beaten up trying to learn on the job, that's the right answer.
If Shough hasn't shown enough for you to make that determination, then you let the best guy play.
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