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re: The purse for Chris Olave
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:55 am to Mystery
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:55 am to Mystery
quote:
don't understand. When was an extra 1st given up for Olave?
I thought both trades just ended up being swaps of first?
There was no “extra” 1st, per se
But they gave up 1.16 in a swap the same way the Saints did in the Ricky Williams trade when they have Washington the 12th pick,
Im not all too concerned with swaps, but the guy that just posted the Ricky Williams bundle felt the need to include the swap, which I did not include in the OP
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:55 am to mindbreaker
quote:
but you use the draft value chart it comes out as an even trade.
Which one?
All the analytics guys I follow with modern charts said that we did not win the chart value comparison.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:56 am to TigerDeacon
And Lester’s Point is he better be amazing otherwise we traded a lot for a WR2
If Olave becomes an elite receiver next to another elite recover than it was worth it
If we traded all that to get a Robin, wel there are complementary WRs in the 2nd and at 16.
If Olave becomes an elite receiver next to another elite recover than it was worth it
If we traded all that to get a Robin, wel there are complementary WRs in the 2nd and at 16.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:56 am to Lester Earl
Wrong again
We got Olave AND Penning for those picks
We got Olave AND Penning for those picks
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:58 am to Proximo
quote:
Wrong again
We got Olave AND Penning for those picks
You do know the Saints had 18th pick to begin with, right? It was free
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:58 am to Lester Earl
I’d love to see a career upvote vs downvote for Lester. It has to be really swayed to the down side.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
I used draft tek and its subjective depending on where we pick next year if you assume we pick 25 or later its even if we pick earlier than that we lost.
*Edit* Not sure what they used to value 2023 and 2024 if you assume we pick in the same spot then yeah it was a bad trade. Im assuming we pick much later. I guess that is the gamble part of it.
*Edit* Not sure what they used to value 2023 and 2024 if you assume we pick in the same spot then yeah it was a bad trade. Im assuming we pick much later. I guess that is the gamble part of it.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:59 am to Proximo
quote:
Wrong again
We got Olave AND Penning for those picks
He didn't include any 2022 1sts bro
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
he can’t include the 2023 first and 2024 second then since that was used to acquire the extra 2022 first
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:09 pm to Lester Earl
If the Saints make the playoffs the cost significantly decreases.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:09 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
2023 1st
2024 2nd
2022 3rd
2022 3rd
2022 4th
What is this format/math, makes little sense
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:15 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
There was no “extra” 1st, per se
But they gave up 1.16 in a swap the same way the Saints did in the Ricky Williams trade when they have Washington the 12th pick,
Im not all too concerned with swaps, but the guy that just posted the Ricky Williams bundle felt the need to include the swap, which I did not include in the OP
Why I think he did that is because you are including a swap as if it was a draft pick on it's own.
All in all
The saints did not lose a 1st round pick at all.
They just swapped their 2023 for a 2022.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:15 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
2023 1st 2024 2nd 2022 3rd 2022 3rd 2022 4th
Including the 2023 1st is the same as saying a Davenport is 2 firsts. It’s misleading. We moved the 2023 1st to 2022 and up at the cost of a 2nd/2 3rds and a 4th
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:16 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
The haul is not that dissimilar to what the Saints paid for Ricky Williams
99 1st
99 3rd
99 4th
99 5th
99 6th
99 7th
00 1st
00 3rd
I mean, not quite
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
That's silly
How is that silly? It's context and how trades actually work. Trading for a 3rd rounder is not the same as trading for a compensatory 3rd rounder in value.
Silly would be thinking it is.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:18 pm to Proximo
quote:
he can’t include the 2023 first and 2024 second then since that was used to acquire the extra 2022 first
This makes no sense. Literally no sense.
We already had a 1st rounder. That, essentially, was Penning. His cost has nothing to do with what 16 cost, and then 11.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:18 pm to Mystery
quote:
They just swapped 2022 and 2023.
At an expensive cost
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:18 pm to Vlatket
quote:
If the Saints make the playoffs the cost significantly decreases.
Results-oriented thinking
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:19 pm to Mystery
quote:
Trading for a 3rd rounder is not the same as trading for a compensatory 3rd rounder in value.
It's trading for a late 3rd, which has the value of...a late third. It's not devalued b/c of its origination.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:19 pm to Mystery
one thing folks aren't really discussing here is that we got another year of a first round player out of the deal
we also got the optionality of a fifth year on rookie contract for both, which adds flexibility to the salary cap
the extra year pulling forward a 1st round player + salary cap flexibility in 2026 are nice benefits
we also got the optionality of a fifth year on rookie contract for both, which adds flexibility to the salary cap
the extra year pulling forward a 1st round player + salary cap flexibility in 2026 are nice benefits
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