re: The offense is better when Kamara gets the ball,

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And it was his 2nd best receiving game ever, and his best ypc game with 8 or more catches.

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Cool. Then why did he stop doing it again this year?

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Jameis isn't allowed to get better as a season progresses though. This board has made that apparent.

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Sure he is. Problem is he didn’t get better, he got worse. Then he went to the bench and the offense began to operate efficiently.

I’ll ask you the same thing I’ve asked in other threads: Why do you have a problem with a better offense?

i don't even have the energy to bring up the hypocritical nature of every one of your defenses being brought to the table for jameis of what you argued with me about with taysom over past 2.5 years.

lack of weapons
non existent o line
shitty play calling and schemes
playing through injuries himself

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i don't even have the energy to bring up the hypocritical nature of every one of your defenses being brought to the table for jameis of what you argued with me about with taysom over past 2.5 years.

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Only thing he cares about: Taysom and Dalton aren’t black.

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Talk about hearing what you want to hear

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Do you understand the irony of this statement coming from you?

I understand

But this thread is about kamara’s effectiveness /importance and Dalton operating a top 10 offense

Kamara’s 17 game pace with Dalton under center

1330 yards rushing
4 rush TDs

119 receptions
1139 yards receiving
8 TDs

This is the way, this is the path to winning football

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But this thread is about kamara’s effectiveness /importance and Dalton operating a top 10 offense

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I know. I’ve made this argument several times.

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This is the way, this is the path to winning football

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I know. I’ve made this argument several times.

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which is why Dalton is better for the offense

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Literally the first sentence in the OP

Don’t worry chadbaw I won’t expose your numerous shitty Kamara takes

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Point is you're getting pissy about two arguing about the qb's. That's essentially what this thread was calling out.

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He created a thread to make the same argument I’ve been making for weeks.

Andy Dalton is better for this offense.

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Funny it was the OCs fault when the Qb couldn’t execute the offense. Now all of a sudden we are top 10 in nearly every major offensive metric. Hmm

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I’m in the “the offense is better w Dalton at QB” camp, but the OC has been shitty at utilizing weapons until this week, and there are still things that can be improved.

AK w limited to zero touches in the red zone. Shaheed making a big play, then not seeing the field much after. Taysom moving the offense, yet doesn’t see the field in the 4th.

Hell Pete was asked specifically about his lack of usage for all 3 just 2 weeks ago

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Do we know why AK41 caught 5 of these passes for 17 yards?

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Good question. I suspect it is because they were throwing downfield too much. The question is whether that was simply poor play calling or was it Winston making the wrong choices.

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Run rate vs pass rate does not exist in a vacuum


When you are facing a double digit deficit in the second half of games, teams shift to passing.

When you are playing a close game or playing with a lead, your run rate climbs.

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Agreed and I almost put that in my original post. It is why I said it was a simple metric, not because it makes it easy to see but because it does not take any other nuances into account.

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There’s 15 years of SP and Carmichael offenses to pull from

There’s a reason Brees averages 650+ attempts in the 7-9s, leading the league twice.

There’s a reason saints were top 10 in run rate during their successful years.

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Indeed, hard to argue with this. I would also say that you can see play calling also seems to take the QB into account. You can see it with Teddy Bridgewater and how the games were called.

I wonder if some of the early pass-happy stuff also related to them trying to get a view of Winston's ability to make decisions and the plays in the vertical game because that is supposed to be his redeeming quality.

Long and short is that I think we agree that Kamara needs to be utilized more appropriately. What we may not agree on is if we know the reason he wasn't in the Jameis games was that Jameis made poor decisions where AK was concerned or if the playcalling was underutilizing him. I could see either being the case.