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re: The downfall of our team in the playoffs has been poor interior OL play
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:44 am to DBG
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:44 am to DBG
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Good chance this is Terrons last season
I don’t see it, I think we ride TA all the way through his contract. We may possibly pick a T with our first pick next year (another huge melt on here) Even then, I’d be a tad worried with a rookie starting at LT and someone not very experienced more than likely at QB.
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:44 am to Lester Earl
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the perception that the interior of the line was the problem is just false
How can it be false when the fricking coach himself said it was a problem? You keep saying this but the local media were preaching it all offseason and Payton was open with how they wanted to upgrade on the interior
You’re also cherry picking one game. Warford still struggled that game and he’s struggled in a lot of games. We’re just gonna forget the 2018 playoffs too when Jernigan, Cox, Donald and Suh handed him his arse on a consistent basis? Or the ATL game? You probably think Peat was the only one getting abused in that Rams game too. I get you not liking the pick but to say the interior hasn’t struggled is fricking laughable. The media has said it has and the coaches have said it and now made a pick confirming it was an issue
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:51 am to windshieldman
He’s only under contract thru 2021. At 30, I doubt he’d play without an extension in 2021
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
You’re basically bitching about the pick and not the player. I get that. But you’ve said yourself the odds a WR or LB coming in right away and having a big impact aren’t high. The Saints took the player that they felt immediately upgraded the team now and in the future.
There’s tons of depth at WR. They’ll probably move up for one today. And then take an LB in the third. The draft isn’t over.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:59 am to Lester Earl
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Simply not true. Scroll up a little bit. The Saints' tackles were the problem.
I did, and the plays you posted definitely show Ram getting beat. But 1) Hunter is just a ficking beast, and 2) weren’t they moving him around all game, inside and out? Maybe rattled Ram a bit. And it’s not like we’re getting rid of him anytime soon. If their best DL beats our best OL, what can you do but tip your cap. I know you are arguing for another target that Brees can quickly get the ball out to, but you have ignored we signed Sanders. A player who the guy you admitted in this thread was the best offensive coach in the league traded for last year to be their #2 in a Super Bowl run season.
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In order for it to be a "need", the Saints must make corresponding moves.
That’s fair, and I think we will.
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If that comes, we can re-evaluate, but with the info we know now, I just don't love it
Also fair. I don’t “love” it either, and will readily admit I may just be trying to justify it to myself.
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Offensive tackle would have made more sense then. Cause Armstead is always hurt, his contract is coming up, and is easily cuttable after this season, if i recall
That would have definitely been a long-term move only, cause no OT available at 24 is gonna start over Armstead or Ram this year. Ruiz helps this year and long-term.
And I know this isn’t the consensus, but I’m not sure we don’t extend Armstead too. I think they love him and hope he can get and stay healthy. But his injury history may give them leverage to not have to pay top LT dollar. And with the salary cap going up and Brees likely off the books in ‘22, we should be able to afford it. Probably contributed to the Peat extension as well.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:03 am to WicKed WayZ
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You’re also cherry picking one game. Warford still struggled that game
feel free to rewatch the game. If you can tell me with a straight face Warford played worse than the OT's, you'd be lying to yourself.
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We’re just gonna forget the 2018 playoffs too when Jernigan, Cox, Donald and Suh handed him his arse on a consistent basis?
ok, and lets go over what has went on since then:
Saints trade future 2nd Rd pick to select Erik McCoy
Saints sign Nick Easton, 4/24mil
Saints extend Andrus Peat 5/57mil
That sure is a lot to pour into the interior of an offensive line in 1 calendar year. Not even factoring they just selected another iOL in the 1st Rd.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:07 am to WicKed WayZ
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But you’ve said yourself the odds a WR or LB coming in right away and having a big impact aren’t high
I havent said that. WR3 is the easiest path to playing time of any position. And LB is right behind it
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:11 am to Lester Earl
They can get those players today too
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:12 am to Midnight Tragedies
they could have gotten other guards, too 
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:15 am to Lester Earl
They could have, but they wanted Ruiz (who was by far the highest rated OL).
So here we are.
So here we are.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl
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feel free to rewatch the game. If you can tell me with a straight face Warford played worse than the OT's, you'd be lying to yourself.
They didn’t play well but looking at that game and saying Warford and Peat didn’t play poorly is just looking to be contrarian or smells of sour grapes because they didn’t pick the players you thought they should have.
The coaches and local media have said all offseason they were going to address the interior OL and that Warford was a big problem and there were plenty of other games that showed he was but you’re choosing to ignore that. They take that player but because you had WR and LB bigger as needs means the pick was dumb? You’re so level headed sometimes but completely asinine others. Payton, who has drafted plenty of good OL later, said himself that it was going to be really hard to find a good one later. If there was a player that would have upgraded the position later, don’t you think they would have waited? That’s the guy who has done nothing but watch film and knows his team better than you and me.
They can still trade up and take an impact 3rd WR. There’s tons of depth there. If they add one today then maybe people will stop bitching. There is only so many balls to spread around and we already have MT13, Sanders, Cook, Taysom and Kamara. We still need a third WR but saying it’s more important just wasn’t true to the team.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:23 am to WicKed WayZ
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They didn’t play well but looking at that game and saying Warford and Peat didn’t play poorly is just looking to be contrarian or smells of sour grapes because they didn’t pick the players you thought they should have.
clown shitePosted on 4/24/20 at 11:24 am to Lester Earl
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Saints trade future 2nd Rd pick to select Erik McCoy
Saints sign Nick Easton, 4/24mil
Saints extend Andrus Peat 5/57mil
That sure is a lot to pour into the interior of an offensive line in 1 calendar year. Not even factoring they just selected another iOL in the 1st Rd
Everybody wants a good OL but everyone hates burning the capital to invest in having a good one. People bitched about the Cowboys when they burned first rounders on Fredrickson, Martin and Tyron Smith. That was all in the span of 3 years too. By 2016 they had the best OL in football.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:25 am to Lester Earl
You know I’m right. It’s pretty consensus that Warford has played like shite. You’re gonna not talk about the 2018 playoff games too, though huh?
You’re the clown here. Bitch more about how they didn’t take Queen or Aiyuk or Brooks though. I’m sure you know the team better than Payton. You’re a fricking clown Lester
You’re the clown here. Bitch more about how they didn’t take Queen or Aiyuk or Brooks though. I’m sure you know the team better than Payton. You’re a fricking clown Lester
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:26 am to Lester Earl
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WR3 is the easiest path to playing time of any position
True. Also a lot easier to get one of those in round 2 or 3 than a starting guard or center.
Any chance they still really like Butler to make a big jump, and that his not playing last year was more injury related than his poor play? I know there’s training camp heroes at WR every year, but the buzz on him seemed to be different.
Also, we didn’t put that tender on Taysom to hold a clipboard as our number 2. I think they plan on using him all season like they did in the playoffs. I’m not sure what to label him, but he’ll be a bigger part of the offense this year than he’s ever been. And with a quarantined off-season of creativity, I gotta think they find a way to utilize Harris’s speed in the offense more. And maybe the Sanders signing and all the talk of possibly drafting a WR lights a fire under Smith’s arse.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:28 am to Lester Earl
Les I think you just fell in love with Aiyuk and are crashing hard.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:29 am to Hot Carl
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True. Also a lot easier to get one of those in round 2 or 3 than a starting guard or center.
He’ll just ignore this and continue flaming the pick. Payton has said numerous times there’s tons of depth at WR and said last night there weren’t a whole lot of guys on the interior OL that were gonna be able to help them later in the draft
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:32 am to Hot Carl
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True. Also a lot easier to get one of those in round 2 or 3 than a starting guard or center.
Carl, some of t the best OL that Payton has drafted have been in the 3rd (Armstead) 4th (Jahri Evans, Jermon Bushrod), 5th (Carl Nicks), 7th (Zack Strief)
It''s easily been the most consistent thing about Saints' drafts under Payton & Co.
You can get good players anywhere, but if theres one thing they should be confident with, it would be that
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:33 am to BilJ
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Les I think you just fell in love with Aiyuk and are crashing hard.
I think so too. You could tell with that thread Les was in love with him. I kinda was too tbh. I don’t fault Les for this “melt.” As always, he at least backs up his stances with well-thought out arguments, even if we don’t agree. There are some other emotional melts on here that are just embarrassing.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:35 am to BilJ
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Les I think you just fell in love with Aiyuk and are crashing hard.
Nah, i wanted Queen.
but offensively, yes, WR is a bigger need.
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