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re: T or F? Cam Jordan is Completely Washed
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:30 am to Thracken13
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:30 am to Thracken13
He’s playing both.
He’s washed.
Great guy and great leader.
But his contract sucks arse for what we are getting on the field last year and this year.
He’s washed.
Great guy and great leader.
But his contract sucks arse for what we are getting on the field last year and this year.
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:50 am to Thracken13
In pass rush situations they are playing him and Breese at DT and Young and Granderson at DE.
Still not a ton of pressure on the QB. Breese is good at generating pressure up the middle, but Young and Cam are kinda ehh in that lineup.
Still not a ton of pressure on the QB. Breese is good at generating pressure up the middle, but Young and Cam are kinda ehh in that lineup.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:03 am to BigTigerJoe
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Jordan contributes in ways that you are unaware.
Brady touched on this during the game. He's one of three vets on each level that help keep their respective units sorted: him, DD and Tyrann.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:21 am to BigTigerJoe
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Cam Jordan contributes in ways that you are unaware. Go peddle your bill of goods somewhere else.
Like what? There are now stats that cover stats that don’t show up on the stat sheet. Cam has the third highest cap hit on the roster, there is a level of expectation that comes with that.
And you can be washed and still be a leader
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:35 am to Sleepy_Tiger
what we can say is you make stupid statements like this just to get attention
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:37 am to Shiftyplus1
Cam and Badger stats don't show how much they mean to this defense.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:41 am to Shiftyplus1
He isn't completely washed. He is getting there tho. If he wasn't cam Jordan, I don't think he would've gotten that last contract. Last year he was really bad(injury). This yr he has been a little better on limited snaps.
He can still contribute from the inside and run downs
The saints just finally have someone who should start over him in granderson and young.
I'm sure he has some nice dead money. Otherwise this would probably be his last yr just off production/value.
He can still contribute from the inside and run downs
The saints just finally have someone who should start over him in granderson and young.
I'm sure he has some nice dead money. Otherwise this would probably be his last yr just off production/value.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:43 am to Chalkywhite84
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The saints just finally have someone who should start over him in granderson and young.
chalky its way more than that. he's an awful DE1 at this time. we're trying to make the best of a shite sammich with a great lockerroom guy. I really don't think mickey thought the bottom was going to fall out this fast. Probably hoping more for a Demario type continuance of production.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:43 am to Proximo
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He’s one of the reasons our locker room held together last year and contributed to the buy in and success this year
This is true and one of the big reasons he is still around.
He came in with a motto this yr of "do better." Everyone is the locker room respects and listens to cam and Demario. But we can all admit his play has fallen off substantially.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:48 am to Chalkywhite84
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. If he wasn't cam Jordan, I don't think he would've gotten that last contract.
Which one?
The most recent 2-year extension was purely for cap purposes.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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The most recent 2-year extension was purely for cap purposes.
they gave him new monies. what are you talking about for cap purposes, his prior contract was expiring in 2023, they paid him new monies for 28 million guaranteed on top of his previous dead monies that were going to hit... that's how i understand it at least.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:04 am to Chad504boy
We couldn't afford his void year so we had to extend him to spread that out over the new contract term.
We had to give him new money for the new years.
This is a function of our cap strategy. To make numbers work, we're going to have to extend guys who aren't productive simply to spread out their void year impact. Cam is just the first.
We could have done it with Peat, but chose not to and just ate it.
We had to give him new money for the new years.
This is a function of our cap strategy. To make numbers work, we're going to have to extend guys who aren't productive simply to spread out their void year impact. Cam is just the first.
We could have done it with Peat, but chose not to and just ate it.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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We had to give him new money for the new years.
that's debatable. we just didn't want to take his cap lump, at the time, it was thought he was worth the investment of stretching him out for his final year's production. then the bottom fell out immediately.
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The 34-year-old Jordan's new contract offers the most guarantees and average salary in NFL history for a defensive player his age.
if we extended cam for 6 million a year so we didn't have to take the cap hit... cool... he's a great team guy... but no... we guaranteed him 28 more million thinking he would still be producing on the field for us.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:40 am to Chad504boy
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we just didn't want to take his cap lump
I think it was more of a "can't".
Restructuring Carr only did so much. We were able to get off one bad deal (Maye) and not extend Peat (to eat his void money), so there was progress with that can kicking. But there wasn't enough to do all of this and eat Cam's void money.
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if we extended cam for 6 million a year so we didn't have to take the cap hit... cool... he's a great team guy... but no... we guaranteed him 28 more million thinking he would still be producing on the field for us.
I think Cam knew he had the economic and emotional leverage here.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
your original statement was bullshite. i just wanted to clarify how you were originally wrong. Saints paid for something they are no longer getting. His bottom has fell out. The End.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:47 am to Chalkywhite84
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He isn't completely washed.
Agreed here and the fact that OP used the term completely is what makes the statement False. He is still making impact plays during the game, and is playing fewer snaps.
Overpaid is probably the term OP should have used. As someone else pointed out, he has the 3rd highest cap hit on the team. And his dead money makes him uncuttable. Question is do they let him play out 2025 without messing with his contract, or do they add a year to delay the $15M dead money cap hit in 2026.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:53 am to Chad504boy
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i just wanted to clarify how you were originally wrong
But you haven't.
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Saints paid for something they are no longer getting.
We are paying the cap piper for services and can kicking previously rendered.
We will probably have to do this with AK, Davis, and/or Hill this offseason to deal with their 25 void year and 24 cap hits.
I explained this when we signed Carr that a result of the cap practices is that we will have to extend guys who are over the hill simply for contractual purposes, and Cam is the first guy. It's not optimal, I agree, because
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His bottom has fell out.
These are the void hits we have in 2026:
AK: 6M
Cam: 14.9M
Hill: 9.7M
Davis: 8.7M
TM: 7.2M
Total: 46.5M
This is if we don't restructure their 2025 base salaries. Here are those splits (base/cap)
AK: 22.4/29.1
Cam: 12.5/20.1
Hill: 10.0/17.986
Davis: 6.5/12.5
TM: 6.3/11.3
Remember, we're already $81.5M over the 2025 cap. We are going to have to restructure guys and kick can. We can't cut them all post-June 1, due to Carr's cap hit in 2026 and our 2026 cap situation, and only AK has a positive cap impact if we cut him pre-June 1.
I think it's very likely this is AKs last year in Nola
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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But you haven't.
for the last time cause i'm not doing this whole charade with you where you pretend to be a saints fan on mondays. you said
quote:is wrong. they gave him high end new monies guaranteed for 2 more years which also helped the cap expiring issue.
The most recent 2-year extension was purely for cap purposes.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:19 am to Chad504boy
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. they gave him high end new monies
If they didn't, he wouldn't have agreed to let them deal with the void year, and we would have been fricked
I said, he had the economic and emotional leverage. It was all about the cap. Had we not fricked our cap, Cam would not be a Saint and our cap prospects would be much better moving forward.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 4:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well I guess Allen finally came to the realization most knowledgeable fans have known since last year. He barely played Sunday. I think Turner got more snaps than him Sunday.
Maybe he can still give some snaps as a pass rush specialist at DT.
Maybe he can still give some snaps as a pass rush specialist at DT.
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