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Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:30 pm to shel311
You continue to argue about something (Bill Parcells past coaching/GM tenures) that'S irrelevant to what he would be doing for us. If you can't see that, you are an idiot.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:31 pm to Lester Earl
quote:And they got better? WOW, improvement!!!
they were 1-15 the year before.
Like I said, Pennington was temporary fixed, which proved to be true.
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At least get your facts straight. They won 6 games last year
I said TWICE that I wasn't sure how many games they won. Nice try.
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They never found their franchise QB
No because they hired the guy who goes for the Olinemen, while the guy they passed on went elsewhere and got his franchise QB. They never found one because he was busy drafting Pat White in the 2nd round, and no QBs in the 1st.
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They never found their franchise QB. Still winning 25 games over the 3 years coming off a 1 win season is impressive to me. Yes, I am hanging my hat on that
The team was mocked, laughed at basically as he was leaving. That's good? That's impressive after a 3 or 4 year stint?
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:32 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:So even though LE is arguing the same irrelevant stuff, he doesn't get called an idiot just because you agree with him?
You continue to argue about something (Bill Parcells past coaching/GM tenures) that'S irrelevant to what he would be doing for us. If you can't see that, you are an idiot
That's the exact logic I'd expect from someone who can't hold rational discussions without resorting to namecalling. Par for the course.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:33 pm to SEClint
Psh your right, at least he can get out of the 1st round
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:33 pm to SEClint
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I know it's laughable, but i would Rather him than Romo..At least he can make it to the playoffs
Didn't Brees miss 2 straight playoffs a couple of years ago?
Good thing the Saints don't follow that logic where we rate all QBs based on playoff appearances.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:38 pm to shel311
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So even though LE is arguing the same irrelevant stuff, he doesn't get called an idiot just because you agree with him?
I'm not sure why Lester chose to play tetherball with you, but he pretty much reiterated my point:
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The Saints wouldnt hire him to oversee the team that way anyway. So it's really moot.
To me, this is a classic case of "I made a statement that was off base, but rather than concede the point, I'll just hammer away at it for a while." It's very old school Chad.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:38 pm to shel311
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And they got better? WOW, improvement!!!
Are you mocking someone turning a 1-15 team into a very competitive team over the 3 years he was there?
Look, Im not even a Parcells lover boy. But it's obvious that you have something against him if you can't even acknowledge the job he has done.
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No because they hired the guy who goes for the Olinemen, while the guy they passed on went elsewhere and got his franchise QB. They never found one because he was busy drafting Pat White in the 2nd round, and no QBs in the 1st.
Winning 11 games after a 1-15 win season was the worst thing to happen to them. But you're going to knock one of the best LT's in the league? Lol. Yea, franchise LT's just grow on trees.
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The team was mocked, laughed at basically as he was leaving. That's good? That's impressive after a 3 or 4 year stint?
He only made decisions for 2 years. Again, at least get your facts straight.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:42 pm to Patrick O Rly
Yea, this is all pretty stupid. His resume' speaks for itself. I don't even have to defend it. Apparently turning bad teams around in very short period isn't considered a success unless you win multiple playoff games and super bowls.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:44 pm to shel311
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Didn't Brees miss 2 straight playoffs a couple of years ago? Good thing the Saints don't follow that logic where we rate all QBs based on playoff appearances.
Was Romo ever a superbowl MVP?
If you want to argue the Production with Brees Vs Romo...i mean, I'd love to hear your opening argument.
That logic comes into play just from a fan's perspective. Believe me, I'm glad we are sitting high on the mountain with Brees. If we didn't have him though..and the only two QBs available were Romo and Tebow..I'd trust Tebow over Romo not just based on "playoff appearance wins", but he just seems like he wants to win more..and I dont even really like him.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:49 pm to Lester Earl
quote:They started 0-7 last year. How competitive is that?
Are you mocking someone turning a 1-15 team into a very competitive team over the 3 years he was there
quote:The job is to build a franchise in a league wher parity exists and teams turn around and get much better much faster all the time. And after 3 years, the team was left pretty shitty. They're not good.
But it's obvious that you have something against him if you can't even acknowledge the job he has done.
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He only made decisions for 2 years. Again, at least get your facts straight
2007-2010, that's closer to 3 years. All of 2008, all of 2009 and most of 2010, officially.
Not to mention, when he gave up day to day control, obviously I don't know for a fact, but LeBatard mentioned on his radio show multiple times that he was still making all big decisions for some time after.
So yea, 3-4 seasons sounds about right, since it was over 3 years. So, it's probably not a good idea to tell me to get my facts striaght when they're more accurate than yours,e ven if the part about controlling after he stepped away isn't true.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:51 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I still don't get how it's "turned around" when you leave 3 years later and the team is shitty. I don't know anyone who thinks this team is good or in a good position. Not one person.
Apparently turning bad teams around in very short period
if that's good and a successful job, then so be it.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:53 pm to shel311
Are we just arguing Parcells now, or his impact on the Saints? I'm sure it's been stated that he wouldn't be asked to rebuild anything. Just hold down the fort.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:55 pm to Patrick O Rly
You should just let this go.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:55 pm to Lester Earl
One would have to be a fricking idiot to downplay what Parcell's presence would bring to the Saints franchise that is still reeling from a below-the-belt shot, but not down for the count.
At every stop, Parcells' teams improved while he was there. Downplaying his accomplishments because the teams are no longer competitive after he left is purely asinine.
Parcells' wealth of football wisdom & experience is the equivalent of having Aristotle on the gridiron. For a team loaded with talent, in dire need of leadership & guidance, there is no better prescription.
At every stop, Parcells' teams improved while he was there. Downplaying his accomplishments because the teams are no longer competitive after he left is purely asinine.
Parcells' wealth of football wisdom & experience is the equivalent of having Aristotle on the gridiron. For a team loaded with talent, in dire need of leadership & guidance, there is no better prescription.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:56 pm to shel311
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The job is to build a franchise in a league wher parity exists and teams turn around and get much better much faster all the time. And after 3 years, the team was left pretty shitty. They're not good.
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They started 0-7 last year. How competitive is that?
Don't think it's fair to hold last years 0-7 start against parcells, and in same post acknowledge how parity rules in the NFL, and how quickly team can go from bad to good and good to bad.
I know lebatard still takes shots at parcells all the time but in today's NFL, blaming last season on him seems a reach IMO
/that said I don't want parcells in NO, but I wouldnt be aghast if he did come here.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:56 pm to LSUFreek
And then there was LSUFreek.
/debate
/debate
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:57 pm to shel311
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I still don't get how it's "turned around" when you leave 3 years later and the team is shitty. I don't know anyone who thinks this team is good or in a good position. Not one person.
if that's good and a successful job, then so be it
simple question; was the team better when he left than it was when he got there?
If you address anything in this post, please answer the question above
The 09 dolphins went 7-9, but they were extremely competitive. They were in position to beat both teams that played in the SB that year.
You keep mentioning 2011 but he had been long gone since taking a step back in 2010.
So yes, he had success there. To go from the worst team in the league to an average team that competes most weeks without great QB play is not a knock on him.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 2:58 pm to LSUFreek
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Parcells' wealth of football wisdom & experience is the equivalent of having Aristotle on the gridiron. For a team loaded with talent, in dire need of leadership & guidance, there is no better prescription.
And not only that, but if i were a player and i saw that if he was to actually come out of retirement for me..possibly shelf his HOF chances for 5 more years for me. If i were a player that (among many other things this year) would inspire the hell out of me to win.
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