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Shough Deep Ball
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:18 am
I know he hit the beauty to Brown, but it seems he consistently misses Olave on 1-2 deep throws a game where he puts it too far outside of him. If he could start hitting one of those a game, this entire offense would open up.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:19 am to saints5021
He has been inconsistent lately. I think his injury and fear playing behind that OL is adding up. He was throwing these balls with much more accuracy prior to the hand injury. I am not concerned yet, but yes he is definitely off with quite a few of his throws.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:20 am to saints5021
He missed at least two? to Lance and I wouldn't necessarily put those on him
He's 2/2 on deep balls to Barrion iirc.
Hand and blocking make me not worry about it for now
He's 2/2 on deep balls to Barrion iirc.
Hand and blocking make me not worry about it for now
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 9:21 am
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:26 am to Proximo
The two that I remember him missing were due to him not putting enough arc on the balls. They were thrown very hard with less convexity than they should have. I believe one was to Olave, and if he had more arc then Olave would have been able to make the play on the ball. It was slightly overthrown.
One of Olave's big completions would have been a TD if Shough had led him better.
I agree though; the hand and OL play are having an effect. He was much more accurate before that injury.
One of Olave's big completions would have been a TD if Shough had led him better.
I agree though; the hand and OL play are having an effect. He was much more accurate before that injury.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:26 am to saints5021
He dropped a nice one to olave to set us up to score late. But the inconsistency lately has been killer
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:33 am to saints5021
One of those misses to Olave may have been on Olave ,the announcers even made a comment about it.
At one point in the route it looked like Olave was not going full speed. He also started to flatten out the route and when he lunged he had to lunge a little backwards to try to get his hands under the ball.
Would be curious to see a breakdown of his accuracy on these when he has a clean pocket vs when there is a lot of noise around him. Is he putting too much on it (not enough arc as someone mentioned it) because he has happy feet. Or is it simply he's not on the same page with Olave
At one point in the route it looked like Olave was not going full speed. He also started to flatten out the route and when he lunged he had to lunge a little backwards to try to get his hands under the ball.
Would be curious to see a breakdown of his accuracy on these when he has a clean pocket vs when there is a lot of noise around him. Is he putting too much on it (not enough arc as someone mentioned it) because he has happy feet. Or is it simply he's not on the same page with Olave
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:35 am to Weekend Warrior79
i think its a combo of O LIne play, Shough has a lot on his shoulders right now and is always "pressing" in games for his team to have success. I think its just part of a natural learning curve to learn to get better, have more confidence and calmness when letting balls rip. Macro adjustment will go a long way. He's got the arm, he's got the touch. More reps with this new group will only get better. Brown, Lance, Tyson, Fant, Delp are all new this year.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:38 am to htran90
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He dropped a nice one to olave to set us up to score late
Nice understates it.
That ball was perfect.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:39 am to moneyg
that sideline throw to Olave? on the outside layered was a fricking dot.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:43 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Would be curious to see a breakdown of his accuracy on these when he has a clean pocket vs when there is a lot of noise around him.
Not exactly what you’re looking for but it essentially captures success or not out of a clean pocket
Expected Points Added (EPA): The difference in Expected Points from the start of one play to the start of the next play. It measures whether a specific play helped or hurt a team's likelihood of scoring.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:00 am to GynoSandberg
Its more simple to me why Tyler doesn't look himself throwing the ball. One of his hands is broken.
One of his hands has a broken bone.
He uses his one good hand to hand the ball off.
For me the mystery is solved. Maybe I'm completely wrong.
One of his hands has a broken bone.
He uses his one good hand to hand the ball off.
For me the mystery is solved. Maybe I'm completely wrong.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:06 am to moneyg
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Nice understates it. That ball was perfect.
Nick mentioned the other impressive thing about that throw was it was an option for Olave and he and Shough were on the same page
It was supposed to be a simple out route
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:15 am to goatmilker
I agree, he’s been more than serviceable since the broken hand but it’s clearly causing him to be more uncomfortable in the pocket. Which makes perfect sense, has to be concerned about ball security and moving around while keeping a good grip on the ball with only one good hand.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:25 am to tigerfan88
He did seem more comfortable and took off running more often than he had been doing. Maybe the bye got his hand a bit better
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:39 am to saints5021
I think Shough threw four deep balls this past week.
The one to Brown was a dime. One of them, I think Olave either turned the wrong way or got pushed off his route late. The other two were overthrown.
I was just glad we used Brown more in the passing game this week instead of Lance.
The one to Brown was a dime. One of them, I think Olave either turned the wrong way or got pushed off his route late. The other two were overthrown.
I was just glad we used Brown more in the passing game this week instead of Lance.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:51 am to Suntiger
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think Shough threw four deep balls this past week.
Here’s the throw chart
Watch the difference when we start throwing to the middle of the field
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:53 am to GynoSandberg
I'm hoping Tyson opens up the middle
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:55 am to goatmilker
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ts more simple to me why Tyler doesn't look himself throwing the ball. One of his hands is broken.
One of his hands has a broken bone.
He uses his one good hand to hand the ball off.
For me the mystery is solved. Maybe I'm completely wrong.
Going to have to agree here. Pretty much up until the injury he was playing some damn good ball.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:04 pm to htran90
It was there for the taking in limited snaps. Shough has rarely looked to the middle this season. He has 9 completions to the middle of the field. 4 games he doesn’t even have a completion in that area. He had 30 such completions last year. It shows in the numbers if one is open to looking
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