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re: Saints shopping Jimmy Graham - Glazer sez done deal
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:33 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:33 pm to Lester Earl
I'm ok with trading Graham and pissed about having to give up a 4th.
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:33 pm to Rickety Cricket
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I'd be ok with the trade if they got something besides a fricking center and the second to last pick in the first round. And giving up a fourth rounder. That's terrible.
This is kind of how I'm feeling right now. Why not move Graham last year and get a 1st and maybe a 2nd or 3rd to go with it?
I love getting Unger, but also giving them a fricking 4th? Unger missed 13 games the last 2 years. And we get pick 31, not some high 1st rounder.
I need to think about it more, Graham has had injuries too, I'm sure we save money... but I don't get giving them a 4th. Unger and their 1st for Graham seems more legit to me.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:34 pm to HollierThanThou
Best Contract: Max Unger
I know this is going to be a complete rehash of last year’s post on Seattle but there is really no reason to change anything with this selection. Max Unger is one of the top centers in the NFL and one of the reasons the Seahawks offensive line continues to be a strength for the team.
Seattle has a tendency to jump high on certain players either with high value contracts or favorable contract structures. Unger did not get that. Rather than jumping up into the Nick Mangold/Ryan Kalil contract territory, which one may have expected, they signed Unger to a reasonable contract, one that only looks more reasonable in light of the Maurkice Pouncey and Alex Mack contracts. There were no outlandish guarantees as just his 2013 salary was fully guaranteed and at any point after that he could have potentially been released.
Unger’s contract, which was worth just under $25 million for 4 seasons, represented a 24% savings in annual value over Ryan Kalil’s contract with the Panthers. His $11.5 million in guarantees is less than Chris Myers of the Texans and Scott Wells of the Rams had at the time the contract was signed. The contract itself is also a well structured deal with no real peaks or valleys making the cap management job of such a player relatively worry free. His cap charges fluctuate from $5.6 to $6.1 million, though there is some room for small escalators to advance those numbers.
The contract figures are very manageable and with no spikes there is never a point where the Seahawks will be forced to renegotiate the terms of the contract for cap relief which has already happened multiple times with Kalil. This is the kind of deal that both sides should be happy with over the term of the contract especially if Unger continues to prove himself to be one of the best in the game. This is the type of solid veteran contract that allows the Seahawks to go out and take chances on some of the more questionable deals they have done over the years.
I know this is going to be a complete rehash of last year’s post on Seattle but there is really no reason to change anything with this selection. Max Unger is one of the top centers in the NFL and one of the reasons the Seahawks offensive line continues to be a strength for the team.
Seattle has a tendency to jump high on certain players either with high value contracts or favorable contract structures. Unger did not get that. Rather than jumping up into the Nick Mangold/Ryan Kalil contract territory, which one may have expected, they signed Unger to a reasonable contract, one that only looks more reasonable in light of the Maurkice Pouncey and Alex Mack contracts. There were no outlandish guarantees as just his 2013 salary was fully guaranteed and at any point after that he could have potentially been released.
Unger’s contract, which was worth just under $25 million for 4 seasons, represented a 24% savings in annual value over Ryan Kalil’s contract with the Panthers. His $11.5 million in guarantees is less than Chris Myers of the Texans and Scott Wells of the Rams had at the time the contract was signed. The contract itself is also a well structured deal with no real peaks or valleys making the cap management job of such a player relatively worry free. His cap charges fluctuate from $5.6 to $6.1 million, though there is some room for small escalators to advance those numbers.
The contract figures are very manageable and with no spikes there is never a point where the Seahawks will be forced to renegotiate the terms of the contract for cap relief which has already happened multiple times with Kalil. This is the kind of deal that both sides should be happy with over the term of the contract especially if Unger continues to prove himself to be one of the best in the game. This is the type of solid veteran contract that allows the Seahawks to go out and take chances on some of the more questionable deals they have done over the years.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
Stills, Cooks, Colston, Hill... obviously Jimmy is a big loss to the receiving corps but we have picks and FA still left to go.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:35 pm to pleading the fifth
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adbrandt: Jimmy Graham got a $12 million signing bonus in July. Will leave a $9 million dead money charge on the Saints Cap. Oy...
Holy frick, this is still on our books?
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:35 pm to Lester Earl
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He had tunnel vision cause he had no one else to throw to, and honestly still doesn't.
Agree here....
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:36 pm to dukke v
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@adbrandt: Jimmy Graham got a $12 million signing bonus in July. Will leave a $9 million dead money charge on the Saints Cap. Oy...
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
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I hate people that say this. He had tunnel vision cause he had no one else to throw to, and honestly still doesn't.
Brees never had issue spreading the ball around before Jimmy came along. He's a tall jumper with good hands who can get most anything, and that's pretty appealing for a short QB.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:37 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
From USA Today article:
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Graham is due a $5 million roster bonus on Thursday and was set to count $11 million against the Saints' cap. Trading him now actually saves the Saints $2 million in cap space this year, as well as freeing up flexibility going forward. They'll still have to pay Unger, who is due a $4.5 million base salary in 2015.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:39 pm to Ice Cold
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The OL has SUCKED, in particular up the middle, which is where Brees butters his bread. When he is flushed he tends to make bad decisions, and forcing balls to Graham is one of those.
So our inability to develop our wr's and having a shitty o-line means get rid of the best receiver we have on the team?
Do YOU even football?
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:40 pm to pleading the fifth
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Stills, Cooks, Colston, Hill... obviously Jimmy is a big loss to the receiving corps but we have picks and FA still left to go.
As it stands, that isnt a winning group. Colston was cut worthy.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:40 pm to Lester Earl
We will sign some guys and draft some for Brees to throw to. Doesn't matter if we gave fricking Megatron over there if he doesn't have time to throw
Unger also has a very favorable contract and is a pro bowler and an all-pro. Relax people, relax
Unger also has a very favorable contract and is a pro bowler and an all-pro. Relax people, relax
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Holy frick, this is still on our books?
Yes, any guaranteed money is accelerated and we pay it. The Seahawks are likewise paying some of Unger's contract for us. OTC is down and I can't check his contract specifics to tell you how much. Looking like the $3-4m range.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Colston was cut worthy
Yes
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:41 pm to SabiDojo
Who was our best receiver in 09 when we started 13-0 and won the SB. Honestly I don't remember.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:41 pm to SabiDojo
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So our inability to develop our wr's and having a shitty o-line means get rid of the best receiver we have on the team?
Do YOU even football?
Yes and if you have an o-line that lets your qb get pressured from up the freaking middle than I don't care if you have Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, TO, Randy Moss and Jimmy Graham all in their prime as weapons, your offense will suck. The o-line is the foundation of the offense and without a solid foundation you can't win.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:43 pm to WeeWee
I'm not mad at acquiring Unger. I agree the line needs to be fixed. I'm just not happy that management has gotten us to this place where we have to give up our best player to fix it.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:43 pm to THRILLHO
Are you sure this is entirely accurate? Again from that USAToday article:
LINK
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The Seahawks were nearly $22 million under the cap as of Monday morning, per the NFLPA. They'll be responsible for the $5 million roster bonus and Graham's $2.9 million guaranteed base salary. His base salaries in 2016 ($8.9 million) and 2017 ($7.9 million) aren't guaranteed. He also can earn a $100,000 workout bonus each season and is due a $2 million roster bonus on the third day of the 2017 league year.
LINK
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:44 pm to pleading the fifth
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Who was our best receiver in 09 when we started 13-0 and won the SB. Honestly I don't remember.
Everybody. Colstong, Henderson, Meachum, Moore, and Shockey were all contributors. If you can run your routes, Brees will get it to you.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:44 pm to pleading the fifth
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I think its this:
Seahawks get Graham & Saints 4th rd pick
Saints get Unger & Seahawks 1st rd pick
No
Seattle gets Graham
Saints get Unger, Seattles 1st and 4th Round picks
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