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re: Saints defiant after military vet declines honor

Posted on 11/3/17 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13300 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 4:56 pm to
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Only if you chose to ignore the explanation that it was a misunderstanding. Like really, how fricking stupid do you have to be

But hey, if it gives you something to be mad online about


So any time I do something disrespectful from now on, I'll just use the NFL player excuse of it was "just a misunderstanding" got it. They refuse to take any responsibility for it as usual and will try to play the victims.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10084 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 5:01 pm to
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the ability to do those things without government interference is the entire frickin point of what makes this country great.


Exactly. The Navy Commander refusing the honor is also the same point just on the opposite side. Why would they bash someone doing what they are crying is their right?
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34897 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 5:26 pm to
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As far as I'm concerned 1 or 2 is too much


And that’s the problem with the anti cop SJW people, 95% of the other side of the ‘argument’ would agree with this as well
Posted by NOLADirty
Dallas
Member since Jul 2013
524 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 6:09 pm to
I'm a veteran, so I say this with all do respect, he can take his arse somewhere else, who gives a shite !
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
28388 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 7:18 pm to
Well they have their opinions with the kneeling shite they force on people and this guy has his. frick the saints FO
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 7:33 pm to
Players can kneel, fans can boo, this guy can decline an award, the Saints can criticize him. And I can care not a whit.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 7:38 pm to
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Dead End



Look at who I was replying to before coming at me. I called the guy I was replying to a snowflake because of his cheerleading of the vet. Being upset about a protest is snowflake material. They stand for the anthem, so being angry at this point is absurd. End of story. All respect for the vet and his service, though I disagree with his reasoning
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
41647 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:06 pm to
frick the NFL

Posted by BlackTiger89
Member since Sep 2016
819 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:36 pm to
Thats wats wrong with da country now everybody is in their f#$kn feelns over people voicing their right? (Freedom of speech) So if your an officer in the military and fought for this right... Why would you double back & say.. O i think its wrong to protest... Thats double standard b×llshite!!! Then people want to say.. Hey their direspecting the flag... How??? i never knew it was against da law to kneel, sit on yo arse, or dont recognize the flag at all... All this shite is over trump calling peaceful protesters sons of bitches and reached out to every entity he could to really make this bigger than it should be... But thats my opinion.. Really makes zero sense whats going on, but if it makes u happy then stay mad at folks who protest peacefully..
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74402 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by transcend
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2013
4166 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:46 pm to
Brainwashed jarhead gonna brainwashed jarhead
Posted by blazzando
Member since Jun 2017
28 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 9:55 pm to
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In the 49ers' final preseason game, backup quarterback Colin Kaepernick decided to kneel for the national anthem instead of taking a seat on the bench.

Turns out it was former Seahawks player and Green Beret Nate Boyer who talked Kap into making the change. Boyer wrote an open letter to Kaepernick earlier this season, and it caused the two to meet up and discuss America and honoring the anthem.

On the upcoming episode of HBO's "Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel" (airing Tuesday night at 10 p.m. ET), Boyer reveals what happened in the discussion between the two men.

"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security."

Asked by Gumbel if Kap was "receptive" to his ideas, Boyer described him as "very receptive."

"Very receptive. He said, 'I think that would be-- I think-- I think that would be really powerful,'" Boyer recalls. "And, you know, he asked me to do it with him. And I said, 'Look, I'll stand next to you. I gotta stand though. I gotta stand with my hand on my heart. That's just-- that's just what I do and where I'm from.'"

The two met and took a picture together, but Boyer wasn't willing to take a knee.

Boyer also got called many names for his decision to stand next to Kaepernick during the anthem.

"I got called a lotta things from both sides. I was told I was a disgrace to the green beret by a couple Green Berets, one of 'em I was friends with," Boyer says. "And that hurts, you know? It really does. But then I also had a lot of people in the military and people in special forces that said, 'Man, I hadn't really thought about that before. And I think you're onto something.'"

There are always going to be people who don't appreciate what Kap is doing, and there are always going to be people who don't appreciate Boyer reaching out to him.

But the bottom line is that discussion, in a positive and peaceful fashion, is always better than screaming angrily about a subject matter.

Boyer and Kap might not see eye to eye, but bridging the gap by even speaking about the issues is a pretty good start.


LINK


Posted by HoustonRes
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
84 posts
Posted on 11/3/17 at 11:33 pm to
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Months later, Boyer was reached by the Washington Post for an end-of-year story on sports figures of the year, of which Kaepernick was one. Within that story, Boyer revealed that he and Kaepernick have not spoken in months and that he now wonders whether their meeting was a political stunt meant to quell opposition to his protest.

Boyer, who communicated with Kaepernick throughout most of the autumn, paid attention. He winced at Kaepernick's missteps and questioned whether the quarterback remained as open-minded as he had been during their meeting. Boyer wondered whether, in fact, their discussion had been nothing more than a political stunt.

"At the time I didn't feel like that," Boyer said. "I felt like that was real."

But now?

"I haven't seen a bridge built," he said. "And the only way we're going to get anywhere, we have to build bridges. You can't just shout and complain and expect everyone else to fix the problem. That doesn't fix the problem. It hasn't ever."

Boyer also revealed his disappointment that Kaepernick did not vote this year, noting that he did so himself for the first time. "If policy is what you want to see changed, the first way to be a part of that is to vote on them," Boyer said.
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 11:34 pm
Posted by blazzando
Member since Jun 2017
28 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 12:33 am to
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In August, then-49ers backup quarterback Colin Kaepernick re-entered the public consciousness for reasons that had nothing to do with his job performance.

Kaepernick was spotted taking a seat on the bench during the national anthem prior to a preseason game, and he explained afterward that he had been sitting during the anthem prior to the team's previous games, as well, as a protest against the way people of color are treated -- specifically, but not exclusively, by police -- in this country.

Kaepernick's decision to sit during the anthem sparked a national debate that is still being waged to some extent. At the height of the debate, Kaepernick met with ex-Green Beret and former Seahawk Nate Boyer, who had previously written Kaepernick an open letter in which Boyer expressed that while he was initially angry with Kaepernick's protest, he was going to keep an open mind. The two came away from their meeting saying they had a "good talk" about "issues that are taking place in this country and how to prompt change" as well as "great freedoms and luxuries we have in America."

Boyer then stood on the 49ers' sideline for their preseason game that night, and he convinced Kaepernick to kneel during the anthem rather than sit on the bench. He stated that Kaepernick "took a big step by getting up off the bench and taking a knee. He gave a little so I gave a little respect."

Months later, Boyer was reached by the Washington Post for an end-of-year story on sports figures of the year, of which Kaepernick was one. Within that story, Boyer revealed that he and Kaepernick have not spoken in months and that he now wonders whether their meeting was a political stunt meant to quell opposition to his protest.

Boyer, who communicated with Kaepernick throughout most of the autumn, paid attention. He winced at Kaepernick's missteps and questioned whether the quarterback remained as open-minded as he had been during their meeting. Boyer wondered whether, in fact, their discussion had been nothing more than a political stunt.

"At the time I didn't feel like that," Boyer said. "I felt like that was real."

But now?

"I haven't seen a bridge built," he said. "And the only way we're going to get anywhere, we have to build bridges. You can't just shout and complain and expect everyone else to fix the problem. That doesn't fix the problem. It hasn't ever."

Boyer also revealed his disappointment that Kaepernick did not vote this year, noting that he did so himself for the first time. "If policy is what you want to see changed, the first way to be a part of that is to vote on them," Boyer said.

Of course, this is just Boyer's side of the story. The 49ers declined the Post's request for an interview with Kaepernick, so whatever his thoughts on the apparent deterioration of his relationship with Boyer are, we don't know them.

LINK

I'd say the protest worked until Fox News/Trump decided to hijack it for political distraction. A serious discussion has to be had about the issue these athletes are protesting.
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11754 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 12:39 am to
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Being upset about a protest is snowflake material. 


Wait, are you calling yourself a snowflake? Nice



Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11754 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 12:42 am to
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all do respect




You're probably like 12 years old
Posted by homesicktiger
High altitude hell
Member since Oct 2004
1554 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 1:03 am to
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A serious discussion has to be had about the issue these athletes are protesting.


Well, get it started. What are you, or all the kneelers for that matter waiting for?
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 1:31 am to
who.cares.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
72487 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 2:36 am to
The protests are as stupid as it gets. Do something productive about whatever your issue is. Taking a knee during the national anthem is incredibly self centered and accomplishes nothing but further divide.
This post was edited on 11/4/17 at 2:37 am
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
28388 posts
Posted on 11/4/17 at 5:33 am to
What the saints meant to say is “you went public and made the nfl look worse. We the saints are losing so much money we needed a PR stunt and you ruined it” ?? good for him for standing his ground!
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