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Report: Saints won't dismiss Dennis Allen after the 2022 season
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:33 pm
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That’s not entirely surprising, but it’s still hard to believe. Nola.com’s Jeff Duncan reported for FOX 8 WVUE that the New Orleans Saints are doubling down on head coach Dennis Allen, with support from both management and ownership insuring that Allen will return in this capacity after the 2022 season. Allen’s team has underachieved in every phase, but general manager Mickey Loomis and team owner Gayle Benson appear to be giving him a mulligan.
It’s hard to view this decision as anything but a mistake. The Saints have lurched to a 6-9 record under Allen, failing to win back-to-back games until Weeks 15 and 16. Assuming Allen finishes out the year as planned, he’ll have coached four seasons in the NFL without ever achieving a winning record (granted, he was shown the door after an 0-4 start back in 2014). Right now he’s 14-37 as a pro head coach. The Saints are lucky to have won as many games this season as they have while going 5-3 in one-score games; those are coin-flip scenarios that could easily go the other way. Lucky teams win more one-score games than they lose. Good teams avoid them in the first place.
The Saints empowered Allen as head coach expecting him to lead them to the playoffs. Instead they’ve been one of the NFL’s most penalty- and turnover-ridden teams. Duncan’s report cites recent wins over the Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons as reasons for optimism, but come one: it’s the Browns and Falcons we’re talking about. Both teams were eliminated from the playoffs this weekend.
From the Saints’ perspective, they can choose to write this year off to injuries. They put a lot of pressure on Jameis Winston’s shoulders as their next franchise quarterback but his body hasn’t been able to hold up. They’ve been without star talents like Michael Thomas and Marshon Lattimore for most of the season. They’ll probably try to spin this as poor luck with injuries and give Allen another year to show he can meet expectations with a healthier roster.
But something odd about Duncan’s report is his note that firing Allen “at this point would be cost-prohibitive” given he’s in the first year of his four-year contract as head coach. While Allen’s specific salary is not public knowledge, most NFL head coaches earn $5 to $6 million per year, with the best of the bunch bringing in double-digit salaries. It’s a really hard sell to believe Allen’s buyout matches the $42 million the Saints are paying in dead money for players not on their roster right now, per Over The Cap. Firing Allen and hiring his replacement wouldn’t be cheap, but Benson’s net worth is estimated at $3.8 billion, per Forbes. She can afford it.
If there is an argument in Allen’s favor, it’s that he has won more games this year than many coaches who were dismissed after their first year on the job. In some cases he’s doubled or tripled their winning percentage just by winning six games. Here’s the list of head coaches who were fired after one season, dating back to 2011:
Hue Jackson, 2011 Raiders (8-8) Mike Mularkey, 2012 Jaguars (2-14) Rob Chudzinski, 2013 Browns (4-12) Jim Tomsula, 2015 49ers (5-11) Chip Kelly, 2016 49ers (2-14) Steve Wilks, 2018 Cardinals (3-13) Urban Meyer, 2021 Jaguars (2-11) David Culley, 2021 Texans (4-13) Nathaniel Hackett, 2022 Broncos (4-11)
So Allen has already won more games than everyone on this list but his predecessor with the Raiders way back when. There’s little reason to believe he’ll figure things out and find his first winning season in his fifth year as an NFL head coach, but if the Saints are as committed to riding this out as they’re reported to be, there’s nothing fans at home can do about it. We’ll just keep doing what we’re doing.
That’s not entirely surprising, but it’s still hard to believe. Nola.com’s Jeff Duncan reported for FOX 8 WVUE that the New Orleans Saints are doubling down on head coach Dennis Allen, with support from both management and ownership insuring that Allen will return in this capacity after the 2022 season. Allen’s team has underachieved in every phase, but general manager Mickey Loomis and team owner Gayle Benson appear to be giving him a mulligan.
It’s hard to view this decision as anything but a mistake. The Saints have lurched to a 6-9 record under Allen, failing to win back-to-back games until Weeks 15 and 16. Assuming Allen finishes out the year as planned, he’ll have coached four seasons in the NFL without ever achieving a winning record (granted, he was shown the door after an 0-4 start back in 2014). Right now he’s 14-37 as a pro head coach. The Saints are lucky to have won as many games this season as they have while going 5-3 in one-score games; those are coin-flip scenarios that could easily go the other way. Lucky teams win more one-score games than they lose. Good teams avoid them in the first place.
The Saints empowered Allen as head coach expecting him to lead them to the playoffs. Instead they’ve been one of the NFL’s most penalty- and turnover-ridden teams. Duncan’s report cites recent wins over the Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons as reasons for optimism, but come one: it’s the Browns and Falcons we’re talking about. Both teams were eliminated from the playoffs this weekend.
From the Saints’ perspective, they can choose to write this year off to injuries. They put a lot of pressure on Jameis Winston’s shoulders as their next franchise quarterback but his body hasn’t been able to hold up. They’ve been without star talents like Michael Thomas and Marshon Lattimore for most of the season. They’ll probably try to spin this as poor luck with injuries and give Allen another year to show he can meet expectations with a healthier roster.
But something odd about Duncan’s report is his note that firing Allen “at this point would be cost-prohibitive” given he’s in the first year of his four-year contract as head coach. While Allen’s specific salary is not public knowledge, most NFL head coaches earn $5 to $6 million per year, with the best of the bunch bringing in double-digit salaries. It’s a really hard sell to believe Allen’s buyout matches the $42 million the Saints are paying in dead money for players not on their roster right now, per Over The Cap. Firing Allen and hiring his replacement wouldn’t be cheap, but Benson’s net worth is estimated at $3.8 billion, per Forbes. She can afford it.
If there is an argument in Allen’s favor, it’s that he has won more games this year than many coaches who were dismissed after their first year on the job. In some cases he’s doubled or tripled their winning percentage just by winning six games. Here’s the list of head coaches who were fired after one season, dating back to 2011:
Hue Jackson, 2011 Raiders (8-8) Mike Mularkey, 2012 Jaguars (2-14) Rob Chudzinski, 2013 Browns (4-12) Jim Tomsula, 2015 49ers (5-11) Chip Kelly, 2016 49ers (2-14) Steve Wilks, 2018 Cardinals (3-13) Urban Meyer, 2021 Jaguars (2-11) David Culley, 2021 Texans (4-13) Nathaniel Hackett, 2022 Broncos (4-11)
So Allen has already won more games than everyone on this list but his predecessor with the Raiders way back when. There’s little reason to believe he’ll figure things out and find his first winning season in his fifth year as an NFL head coach, but if the Saints are as committed to riding this out as they’re reported to be, there’s nothing fans at home can do about it. We’ll just keep doing what we’re doing.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:35 pm to hellsu
Won't "dismiss" him entirely... just to Sean's DC
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:36 pm to Chad504boy
Another year getting the cap headed towards somewhat respectable, acquire draft picks for CSP, bottom out next year and draft a QB when you fire Allen and hire an Offensive minded HC.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:41 pm to Chad504boy
Some Saints fans have a hard time accepting that the Loomis-Benson Ownership team will not fire this head coach after only one season.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:49 pm to hellsu
Saints won't dismiss Dennis Allen
NO
frickING
shite
NO
frickING
shite
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:51 pm to hellsu
quote:Funny that Duncan is reporting this after touting his article a week or so ago about Payton possibly returning to the Saints. Playing both sides of the fence so he can say he was right?
LINK
That’s not entirely surprising, but it’s still hard to believe. Nola.com’s Jeff Duncan reported for FOX 8 WVUE that the New Orleans Saints are doubling down on head coach Dennis Allen, with support from both management and ownership insuring that Allen will return in this capacity after the 2022 season. Allen’s team has underachieved in every phase, but general manager Mickey Loomis and team owner Gayle Benson appear to be giving him a mulligan.
It’s hard to view this decision as anything but a mistake. The Saints have lurched to a 6-9 record under Allen, failing to win back-to-back games until Weeks 15 and 16. Assuming Allen finishes out the year as planned, he’ll have coached four seasons in the NFL without ever achieving a winning record (granted, he was shown the door after an 0-4 start back in 2014). Right now he’s 14-37 as a pro head coach. The Saints are lucky to have won as many games this season as they have while going 5-3 in one-score games; those are coin-flip scenarios that could easily go the other way. Lucky teams win more one-score games than they lose. Good teams avoid them in the first place.
The Saints empowered Allen as head coach expecting him to lead them to the playoffs. Instead they’ve been one of the NFL’s most penalty- and turnover-ridden teams. Duncan’s report cites recent wins over the Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons as reasons for optimism, but come one: it’s the Browns and Falcons we’re talking about. Both teams were eliminated from the playoffs this weekend.
From the Saints’ perspective, they can choose to write this year off to injuries. They put a lot of pressure on Jameis Winston’s shoulders as their next franchise quarterback but his body hasn’t been able to hold up. They’ve been without star talents like Michael Thomas and Marshon Lattimore for most of the season. They’ll probably try to spin this as poor luck with injuries and give Allen another year to show he can meet expectations with a healthier roster.
But something odd about Duncan’s report is his note that firing Allen “at this point would be cost-prohibitive” given he’s in the first year of his four-year contract as head coach. While Allen’s specific salary is not public knowledge, most NFL head coaches earn $5 to $6 million per year, with the best of the bunch bringing in double-digit salaries. It’s a really hard sell to believe Allen’s buyout matches the $42 million the Saints are paying in dead money for players not on their roster right now, per Over The Cap. Firing Allen and hiring his replacement wouldn’t be cheap, but Benson’s net worth is estimated at $3.8 billion, per Forbes. She can afford it.
If there is an argument in Allen’s favor, it’s that he has won more games this year than many coaches who were dismissed after their first year on the job. In some cases he’s doubled or tripled their winning percentage just by winning six games. Here’s the list of head coaches who were fired after one season, dating back to 2011:
Hue Jackson, 2011 Raiders (8-8) Mike Mularkey, 2012 Jaguars (2-14) Rob Chudzinski, 2013 Browns (4-12) Jim Tomsula, 2015 49ers (5-11) Chip Kelly, 2016 49ers (2-14) Steve Wilks, 2018 Cardinals (3-13) Urban Meyer, 2021 Jaguars (2-11) David Culley, 2021 Texans (4-13) Nathaniel Hackett, 2022 Broncos (4-11)
So Allen has already won more games than everyone on this list but his predecessor with the Raiders way back when. There’s little reason to believe he’ll figure things out and find his first winning season in his fifth year as an NFL head coach, but if the Saints are as committed to riding this out as they’re reported to be, there’s nothing fans at home can do about it. We’ll just keep doing what we’re doing.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:00 pm to hellsu
quote:
Saints won't dismiss Dennis Allen after the 2022 season
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:07 pm to hellsu
I don’t know if this is true or not. But if it is, it’s not surprising. The team is still playing really damn hard and that’s a big, big deal.
I’ve generally been ok with bringing him back in 2023. If he rights the course and we have success, great. If we bottom out and get a high draft pick, that’s fine too. But if Sean wants to come back, you politely fire Allen immediately.
I’ve generally been ok with bringing him back in 2023. If he rights the course and we have success, great. If we bottom out and get a high draft pick, that’s fine too. But if Sean wants to come back, you politely fire Allen immediately.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:19 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Funny that Duncan is reporting this after touting his article a week or so ago about Payton possibly returning to the Saints. Playing both sides of the fence so he can say he was right?
Or reporting information as he gets it. You know like a journalist.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:26 pm to hellsu
Duncan has proven time and again he doesn’t have a pulse on the team. PFT just posted that there’s chatter Payton will come back and they were the ones that reported Payton leaving in the first place
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:41 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:Yeah, because I am sure the situation took a complete 180 in a week because of a sloppy win in Cleveland. Ok, Scooter.
Or reporting information as he gets it. You know like a journalist.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:43 pm to Jwho77
quote:
Caleb Williams
This team is too good (that’s a weird way of saying it) to bottom out for Caleb Williams. There are 20 teams that are 7-8 or worse, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that after we were talking about giving Philadelphia a top 5 pick what feels like not that long ago that we actually give them like the 15th pick.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:05 pm to NOSHAU
I find it pretty clear that he wrote one article sourced from the Payton camp and another sourced from Loomis and Benson.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:31 pm to hellsu
Well…at least this decision should cement the need to rebuild. Hopefully dumb dumb Mickey Loomis doesn’t continue to treat this train wreck like a super bowl contender and proceed to piss away more high draft picks. Time to shed salary and start the rebuild for the next coach in 2024.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:34 pm to hellsu
quote:
with support from both management and ownership
Fat, happy, and clueless.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:51 pm to hellsu
There's no reason to fire him this season. No coach wants to come to a team in cap hell and no 1st round pick. Rebuild in 2024.
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