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re: Pierre Thomas: 4 carries, 1 yard
Posted on 10/1/13 at 10:56 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 10/1/13 at 10:56 am to Chad504boy
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I'm convinced 1992 and lunchbox are the dumbest posters to ever type a post on saints talk.
I'm not trying to argue that Ingram ran behind a different offensive line than Thomas ran behind the last two weeks when he was asked to step in and take Ingram's carries. But whatever. If you think that Ingram sucks when he runs but the offensive line sucks when Thomas is forced to run in the exact same situation, then I'm glad you think I'm an idiot.
The feature back still cannot get one yard when we need it while Ingram is inactive. Pierre Thomas is reduced to 1.8 a carry after he replaces Ingram. but some of you stubbornly insist that it's Ingram's fault.
You are a bunch of fricking hypocrites.
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Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:03 am to lsutigers1992
Man, I'm just in the middle on this whole thing. Ingram is a Saint, and I actually like the guy okay. I want him to succeed because it's for the betterment of the team.
But his struggles lately are merely magnified by the struggles of the offensive line. The bottom line is that I can't decide if he's not good, hasn't gotten into a good enough rhythm yet in is career, has gotten terrible play calling and run blocking, or a combination of all.
I really don't like to be a douche in Ingram threads and try to use common sense, but it's really becoming apparent that he's missing something that undrafted free agents Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson and Chris Ivory have.
But his struggles lately are merely magnified by the struggles of the offensive line. The bottom line is that I can't decide if he's not good, hasn't gotten into a good enough rhythm yet in is career, has gotten terrible play calling and run blocking, or a combination of all.
I really don't like to be a douche in Ingram threads and try to use common sense, but it's really becoming apparent that he's missing something that undrafted free agents Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson and Chris Ivory have.
This post was edited on 10/1/13 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:04 am to lsutigers1992
the Saints are 4-0 and you are still crying for Mark Ingram
shutup already
shutup already
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:04 am to lsutigers1992
quote:You know what's funny? Ingram averages 1.75 YPC on 3rd down.
Pierre Thomas is reduced to 1.8 a carry after he replaces Ingram
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:04 am to lsutigers1992
Ingram -> over 2 years
PT -> 2 games
OMG! What does it mean!?
PT -> 2 games
OMG! What does it mean!?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:14 am to lsutigers1992
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Ingram has no vision, poor footwork, and no burst comng off the ball. Even when there is a hole, he doesn't recognize it quick enough to make it and most of the time is stopped for a minimal gain, or bounces it to the outside where he is brought down by a shoe string tackle.
You need to tattoo this on your fricking forehead and hope that it seeps into that pea brain.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:19 am to whodatfan
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Ingram has no vision, poor footwork, and no burst comng off the ball. Even when there is a hole, he doesn't recognize it quick enough to make it and most of the time is stopped for a minimal gain, or bounces it to the outside where he is brought down by a shoe string tackle.
You need to tattoo this on your fricking forehead and hope that it seeps into that pea brain.
No shite. Pierre has had two bad games. And it's not because he got "Mark Ingram carries". He has gotten "Mark Ingram carries" plenty of times, runs hard, hits the hole, and then drags people about 5-6 yards after contact. In that same situation Ingram hits the hole and falls down.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:22 am to F machine
It's hard for any RB to play well with one or two defensive lineman in his face as soon as he gets a handoff.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:22 am to The Sad Banana
quote:I think the debate is over.
AJF
Or at least, no longer instructive.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:23 am to F machine
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No shite. Pierre has had two bad games. And it's not because he got "Mark Ingram carries". He has gotten "Mark Ingram carries" plenty of times, runs hard, hits the hole, and then drags people about 5-6 yards after contact. In that same situation Ingram hits the hole and falls down.
Amazing that they are within a yard of each other in YPA. This is the exact kind of exaggeration that is ridiculous.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:24 am to LNCHBOX
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Amazing that they are within a yard of each other in YPA. This is the exact kind of exaggeration that is ridiculous.
Do you realize how much a yard is when you calculate ypa? That's a lot for running backs.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:25 am to F machine
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Do you realize how much a yard is when you calculate ypa? That's a lot for running backs.
Do you realize how exaggerated your post was?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:25 am to The Sad Banana
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It's hard for any RB to play well with one or two defensive lineman in his face as soon as he gets a handoff.
The NFL is hard!...Game of inches and what you make of those inches given.
Mark Ingram cant play in a game of inches he doesn't have the talent. Can he develop those ?yes maybe but rightnow he is the fourth best option
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:26 am to Hoodoo Man
I did a good job making myself look dumb this week. And it's only Tuesday!
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:27 am to whodatfan
We are just to dumb to see the facts that lsutigers1992 is putting down WDF.
You see its the O-lines fault that MI is not used in the passing by CSP.
Its the O-lines fault that MI goes down at 1st touch.
Its the O-lines fault that MI can't juke the fattest slowest guy on the field.
Its the O-lines fault he doesn't have breakaway speed.
Its the O-lines fault he can't run over 1 safety 1 on 1 on the goal line.
Its the O-lines fault he has a worse YPC than the rest of the Saint RB's.
Its the O-lines fault that 99% of people watching him play these last three years would rather Robinson get the carries than him.
lsutigers1992 is just more modern than us in that you blame everyone else for your own crappy work habits and outcome.
You see its the O-lines fault that MI is not used in the passing by CSP.
Its the O-lines fault that MI goes down at 1st touch.
Its the O-lines fault that MI can't juke the fattest slowest guy on the field.
Its the O-lines fault he doesn't have breakaway speed.
Its the O-lines fault he can't run over 1 safety 1 on 1 on the goal line.
Its the O-lines fault he has a worse YPC than the rest of the Saint RB's.
Its the O-lines fault that 99% of people watching him play these last three years would rather Robinson get the carries than him.
lsutigers1992 is just more modern than us in that you blame everyone else for your own crappy work habits and outcome.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:27 am to LNCHBOX
quote:You do realize that this means thomas gets 25% more yards per carry right?
Amazing that they are within a yard of each other in YPA. This is the exact kind of exaggeration that is ridiculous.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:28 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you realize how exaggerated your post was?
You are just deflecting now. You really can't recall Pierre ever runnign up the middle, getting hit, and then dragging the pile? I've seen him do it multiple times. What does Ingram usually do in those situations when he gets hit in the hole?
But my point with the last point was that a yard when calculating ypc is a ton. If someone is a whole yard ahead in ypc, odds are that they are a good bit better.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:30 am to F machine
quote:PT averaged 4 YPC on 3rd and less than 6 last year. Mi averaged 1.8.
You are just deflecting now. You really can't recall Pierre ever runnign up the middle, getting hit, and then dragging the pile? I've seen him do it multiple times.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:31 am to F machine
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You are just deflecting now.
No I'm not. I specifically called out your exaggeration, and you deflected it honestly.
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You really can't recall Pierre ever runnign up the middle, getting hit, and then dragging the pile?
Sure, but not every time.
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What does Ingram usually do in those situations when he gets hit in the hole?
Does it matter? He still gets almost as many yards on each run. Doesn't matter how the yards come, only that they do. Or are we awarding style points now?
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But my point with the last point was that a yard when calculating ypc is a ton. If someone is a whole yard ahead in ypc, odds are that they are a good bit better.
Not arguing that. My point was that you make it sound like Thomas drags pile 6 yards every play, and Ingram never does anything. It was a big exaggeration. Which was all I said.
This post was edited on 10/1/13 at 11:32 am
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