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re: Pierre Thomas: 4 carries, 1 yard
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:49 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:49 am to LNCHBOX
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Ingrams average was cut in half this year. Now that PT has to play in that role, his average is nose diving. You don't think there is a common denominator?
Of course there is. No one is arguing that. Like I said, running backs will struggle with a bad line. But exactly what role are we talking about? Pierre and Ingram have run in the same situations plenty of times and Pierre almost always does better.
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Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:50 am to LNCHBOX
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we've seen PT take Ingram's carries and seen the result.
I just don't get this part. Why are we seeing he has taken Ingram's carries? PT has always had those types of carries. He also catches passes out of the backfield. He also blocks. Why is there this mythological thing known as Ingram carries?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:51 am to LNCHBOX
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Not with this shitty line. How do you people not get that this line is terrible?
we do understand that. what does that have to do with every other year when Ingram has sucked and PT has produced.
Let's just ignore Pierre's screen game too
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:52 am to F machine
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Of course there is. No one is arguing that
People in this thread have said that Ingram's lack of production can't be blamed on the o line.
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But exactly what role are we talking about? Pierre and Ingram have run in the same situations plenty of times and Pierre almost always does better.
Not now. And my whole point is that this board is ridiculous with the Ingram hate when he has had a decent average up until this year. All of our backs are struggling with this line, but yet we only hear about one of them being completely useless and should be cut blah blah blah.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:54 am to TigerBait1127
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what does that have to do with every other year when Ingram has sucked and PT has produced.
0.8 YPA difference. the last two years. Is that really the difference between producing and should be cut?
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Let's just ignore Pierre's screen game too
Holy fricking shite. When did I say PT was a bad back and that we should not use him?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:54 am to F machine
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I just don't get this part. Why are we seeing he has taken Ingram's carries?
Someone obviously is since he is out. Do you think it's Sproles?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:55 am to LNCHBOX
Historically there are several reasons why PT (and Sproles) have good yards per carry.
1. they're good RBs
2. they run on 2nd and 12
3. there are 3-4 receivers in the game and no FB
4. they don't stack the line and they have extra DBs in the game because it's a passing down
5. because of their pass catching ability (and the down/distance situation), they think of them more as pass receiving threats
When it's first and 10 and Jed Collins and Mark Ingram is in the game, they run. Everybody knows it. I know it. You know it. The defense knows it.
And for the last two weeks, it's been Jed Collins and Pierre Thomas. Voila. I don't know how to be more clear than that.
1. they're good RBs
2. they run on 2nd and 12
3. there are 3-4 receivers in the game and no FB
4. they don't stack the line and they have extra DBs in the game because it's a passing down
5. because of their pass catching ability (and the down/distance situation), they think of them more as pass receiving threats
When it's first and 10 and Jed Collins and Mark Ingram is in the game, they run. Everybody knows it. I know it. You know it. The defense knows it.
And for the last two weeks, it's been Jed Collins and Pierre Thomas. Voila. I don't know how to be more clear than that.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:56 am to LNCHBOX
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0.8 YPA difference. the last two years. Is that really the difference between producing and should be cut?
.8 ypa is a huge difference in the NFL
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:56 am to LNCHBOX
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Someone obviously is since he is out. Do you think it's Sproles?
Who got the ball on 2nd and 1 in the first quarter and lost 4 yards?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:56 am to lsutigers1992
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Historically there are several reasons why PT (and Sproles) have good yards per carry.
1. they're good RBs
2. they run on 2nd and 12
3. there are 3-4 receivers in the game and no FB
4. they don't stack the line and they have extra DBs in the game because it's a passing down
5. because of their pass catching ability (and the down/distance situation), they think of them more as pass receiving threats
When it's first and 10 and Jed Collins and Mark Ingram is in the game, they run. Everybody knows it. I know it. You know it. The defense knows it.
And for the last two weeks, it's been Jed Collins and Pierre Thomas. Voila. I don't know how to be more clear than that.
All things no one will acknowledge I bet.
I think the bigger question is do we really a power back in our system.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:58 am to EarthwormJim
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.8 ypa is a huge difference in the NFL
Is it? I don't think so, not as much as you make it out to be. 2nd and 5 isn't that much different than 2nd and 6 from a play calling perspective.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:58 am to Chad504boy
I bet you think that picture proves something in this conversation.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 11:59 am to LNCHBOX
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decent average up until this year.
I think this is where people disagree with you. He really hasn't had a decent average. It's been pretty mediocre.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 12:00 pm to lsutigers1992
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When it's first and 10 and Jed Collins and Mark Ingram is in the game, they run. Everybody knows it. I know it. You know it. The defense knows it.
And for the last two weeks, it's been Jed Collins and Pierre Thomas. Voila. I don't know how to be more clear than that.
Not always true, but ok. Pierre has run in those first down situations with Collins plenty of times.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 12:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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I bet you think that picture proves something in this conversation.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PICTURE OF 4TH AND GOAL IN THE 2ND QUARTER OF THAT SAME GAME??????????????????????????????????????????
Never mind. They had a historically bad offensive line in the second quarter of that game.
This post was edited on 10/1/13 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/1/13 at 12:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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I don't think so, not as much as you make it out to be. 2nd and 5 isn't that much different than 2nd and 6 from a play calling perspective
My god you can't be this dumb.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 12:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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Is it? I don't think so, not as much as you make it out to be. 2nd and 5 isn't that much different than 2nd and 6 from a play calling perspective.
It is if it's done over and over again. For one play, I agree. Not a big deal. But if you have a rb who can consistently get you 4 yards instead of 3, then that's a big deal.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 12:02 pm to F machine
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I think this is where people disagree with you. He really hasn't had a decent average. It's been pretty mediocre.
3.9 is mediocre?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 12:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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3.9 is mediocre?
Yeah. Pretty much. It certainly isn't decent.
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