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PFF on the Davenport trade

Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:45 am
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:50 am to
Seems awfully early for this.
Posted by Cow Drogo
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:50 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:57 am to
there is some hindsight bias as well (the perfect CB pick from last year, saving us the pick used for Apple and allowing us to know what to theoretically target this year)
Posted by SaintLSU
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:58 am to
The Saints front office is a f@#king JOKE. They had one good draft for the past decade. They always trade up. Jimmy Johnson always say good teams trade down not up
Posted by bonethug0180
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:01 am to
Aka two idiots that don't know our roster (long term DE was a HUGE need), overlook what Davenport did and the fact that he will be a complete DE (extremely good against the run and the pass rush moves are coming along), and ignore that he was injured for a good part of the season and played decently through an injury that would keep most guys off the field.

I get the point of you could have had x and y instead. That's always valid. But another CB and whatever we could get this year was not even close to as pressing as a legit 3 down DE.
Posted by geauxtigers87
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:02 am to
So, we hate PFF now on this board?

The saints did give up 430 first round picks for him so
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 11:03 am
Posted by Chocolate Jesus
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:17 am to
35,000 sports podcasts “experts” out there looking to sound smarter. It’s been 1 year. I think the kid will be a beast when it’s all said and done. We will know more this year. No trade/pick is worthy of debate after just one year.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:21 am to
This was a bad trade last year period... only pass rusher from last years draft worth moving up for was Chubb... hindsight biggest need was a WR...
Posted by TigerBait2008
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:23 am to
Note: stop posting
Posted by TigerBait2008
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:24 am to
quote:

The Saints front office is a f@#king JOKE. They had one good draft for the past decade. They always trade up. Jimmy Johnson always say good teams trade down not up





Wtf is this shite? You’re filled with dumbass son.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:25 am to
Davenport is a stud end in the making very quickly. Anyone who can’t see his talent is blind. Anyone critical of the trade at this very moment has an agenda to grind.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:32 am to
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Anyone critical of the trade at this very moment has an agenda to grind.


i mean. that's clearly not true in this case. PFF doesn't have an agenda
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:46 am to
LOL

I think the Saints, and I agree, feel like elite DE's are very hard to come by and they think MD can be that.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:00 pm to
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PFF doesn't have an agenda



I value picks so i dont totally disagree with them, but using hindsight to justify staying put is easy to do when you know what players turned out to be good and which ones didnt.

Yea we could have had Derwin James but maybe they would have drafted someone who turned out to be a bum.

Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11583 posts
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:04 pm to
LOL at anyone trying to break this shite down and determine who won

Saints
2018 14th(GB) - Marcus Davenport - would have won SB season after trade

vs

Packers

2018 27th(NO) + 76th(GB) + 186th(GB) = Traded To SEA - Jaire Alexander
2018 101st(CLE) + 147th(NO) = Oren Burks LB
2018 248th(SEA) - Kendall Donnerson LB
2019 29th(NO) - TBD
**Packers trade Randall + 5th for Kizer + 4th from Cleveland

Did not make playoffs, HC fired, team is a mess

vs

Seattle

2018 27th(GB) - Rashaad Penny RB
2018 76th(GB) - Traded to Pitt *Mason Rudolph QB
2018 79th(PITT) - Rasheem Green DE
2018 186th(GB) - Jacob Martin LB
2018 220th(PITT) - Alex McGough QB

rapidly replenished roster that had been eroding of talent and made a playoff push
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
4349 posts
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

I value picks so i dont totally disagree with them


Literally their only valid point, but is offset by the need at the position and the extremely high value of that particular position.

And we wound up winning that trade in value (if you go by the chart).

quote:

but using hindsight to justify staying put is easy to do when you know what players turned out to be good and which ones didnt.


This is definitely where they lost it. Can't play that what if game.

It's also bullshite because they suggested we take James or Alexander instead, but they were long gone before our original pick.

And then they said we could take them AND someone in the first this year. That was literally impossible. We would still had to have used our first to trade up for either of them.

We could have stayed put and took Darius Leonard, but again that's hindsight and we also had just signed Davis and Te'o (or did we sign him later?), had an expensive Klein, and a hopeful good one in Anzalone. Not to mention a solid guy in Robertson to boot.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
4349 posts
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

Seattle

2018 27th(GB) - Rashaad Penny RB
2018 76th(GB) - Traded to Pitt *Mason Rudolph QB
2018 79th(PITT) - Rasheem Green DE
2018 186th(GB) - Jacob Martin LB
2018 220th(PITT) - Alex McGough QB

rapidly replenished roster that had been eroding of talent and made a playoff push



That's misleading because the only guy that kind of helped in that push was Penny. So Seattle didn't really do any better than GB.

To me it looks like we all got one good to great player, but I like Davenport's upside more than the others.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:16 pm to
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Seems awfully early for this.

Not necessarily. The trade was obviously made with the intention of getting a player who would contribute immediately. Whether Davenport's impact was worth it is certainly debatable.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31500 posts
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:20 pm to
He was really good once he hit his stride until he got hurt. He was playing with a season ending injury for half the year.


I wouldn’t expect you to know that. Our pick ended up being #30 which is practically the second round. It’s also well known you HATED the trade up at the time. This isn’t shocking
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