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re: Nick Underhill's podcast gave some good insight to the situation
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:55 am to LSUZombie
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:55 am to LSUZombie
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He said one day at practice, CJGJ had a small injury after coming back to practice. He said CJGJ started yelling at coaches that "this is what you wanted, right? to tank my value?"
He also alluded heavily that this move was done to remove a disgruntled player out of the locker room and the Saints were fine with giving him away if it met him being gone. He also said CJGJ being unhappy and it being the final year of his contract tanked his value and the Saints did this to save the locker room from distractions.
Its pretty clear to see everything Saints fans love about him, is ultimately the reason it didnt work out here. He is loud, brash and confident/arrogant. Which we love about his personality on the field, but not so much when he feels jilted in contract negotiations. It is what it is. Time to move on.
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:57 am to Midget Death Squad
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Great. They just set the precedent for how all future players are to act when they want a new contract, because they know the Saints will cave and give them the win.
It's mind boggling that for years teams have successfully held players to either play or hold out in order to not reward them for unprofessional behavior, and here the Saints have just caved and did the opposite of that. Now we have nothing while the Eagles and CGJ come out as winners.
Not really. What's actually going to happen is CJ is going to go to a much weaker secondary that won't disguise his weaknesses and he's going to lose a lot of money
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:57 am to GynoSandberg
If you want to ship him out fine but why deal him to a competitor? We’re already at pennies on the dollar, send him to an AFC for slightly less. Are we really thinking the eagles 5th and 6th is that much better than other offers?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:58 am to Midget Death Squad
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Great. They just set the precedent for how all future players are to act when they want a new contract, because they know the Saints will cave and give them the win.
Nah. Getting traded in a contract year is not a win. Getting a deal you wanted is a win. Saints FO doesn’t play that way.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:59 am to BilJ
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Are we really thinking the eagles 5th and 6th is that much better than other offers?
Underhill said that this was the best (and maybe only) offer they got so it's not like the Saints just took the first offer made to them and shipped him out. Saints fans want to believe there were multiple offers for CJGJ but there wasn't.
It was clear we didn't care about trade compensation because we wanted to offload a potential powder keg before it exploded.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:02 am to BilJ
So that Chris Olave can run right by him when they try him as a traditional FS
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:10 am to LSUZombie
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Underhill said that this was the best (and maybe only) offer they got s
Probably a highly technical truth that's irrelevant in the big picture.
We got 0.0000002 value and we only have 0.0000001 value offers!
I seriously doubt NO teams in the AFC wouldn't take a flier on him for a 7th
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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Probably a highly technical truth that's irrelevant in the big picture.
But probably true none the less.
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I seriously doubt NO teams in the AFC wouldn't take a flier on him for a 7th
I'd rather a 5th and 6th than a 7th
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:17 am to LSUZombie
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I'd rather a 5th and 6th than a 7th
We also sent back a 7th
Why? Nobody really can tell.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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I seriously doubt NO teams in the AFC wouldn't take a flier on him for a 7th
But also probably have to be willing to pay him more than he’s worth.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:22 am to LSUZombie
He states in the podcast that Chauncey was yelling on the practice field about this is what y'all wanted or something along those lines.
He said they aren't supposed to report on that but there is an article on Nola.com about it--anyone have the story?
He said they aren't supposed to report on that but there is an article on Nola.com about it--anyone have the story?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:27 am to mdomingue
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I liked CGJ and think he would be worth more than we got in a slightly different situation. But I think his demands being known, being in the last year of his contract, his position as a nickle/slot corner being less valuable and his general demeanor regarding the team due to his contract devalued him on the general market.
Just my opinion and I will miss the swagger/attitude he brought to the defense on the field. At least we got something for him rather than hoping we could reach an agreement or that we got a compensatory pick (not guaranteed and history for the Saints makes it seem less likely, rather than more likely)
Yep. Other teams weren't going to pay a hefty price for what they know could very well be a one year rental. Barring significant injury, CGJ is still going to want the big contract he wanted from the Saints. Now he is going to have to prove that worth on a middle of the pack defense vs. one in New Orleans that may have had enough talent to put him in a great position to succeed in his role.
The Saints probably didn't have a ton of leverage on the trade market for a guy they assume no other team would likely be wiling to meet his contract demands. So they took pennies on the dollar to offload what they presumed would be a problem with the thought being there is enough in-house talent to make up for the loss.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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We also sent back a 7th
Why? Nobody really can tell.
I guess the 7th was in exchange for the Eagles' 6th.
When you look at it now, they were taking our problem off our hands for a 5th.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:44 am to BilJ
Yea that’s not an ideal trade partner by any means. It’s hard to come up with less compensation than what we got through
I would think the saints wouldn’t have the eagles high on their list of landing spots for CJ. What scared other teams? Contract? Overrated? Character concerns?
Remember he slid in the draft to the 4th after a great year at UF and a great combine. Teams obviously did their homework on him then. They’ve seen him on a National stage instigating on the field, toeing a fine line. Just playing devils advocate here. There’s gotta be more than the public knows
I would think the saints wouldn’t have the eagles high on their list of landing spots for CJ. What scared other teams? Contract? Overrated? Character concerns?
Remember he slid in the draft to the 4th after a great year at UF and a great combine. Teams obviously did their homework on him then. They’ve seen him on a National stage instigating on the field, toeing a fine line. Just playing devils advocate here. There’s gotta be more than the public knows
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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We got 0.0000002 value and we only have 0.0000001 value offers!
I seriously doubt NO teams in the AFC wouldn't take a flier on him for a 7th
Don't forget that those other NFL teams are not inside the Saints facility. Sure they saw a good player, but they also saw a player that was the cause of several Personal Foul penalties commmitted by other teams, so they are probably thinking it's only a matter of time before CGJ does something stupid. Why would they think that, because he even had his own teammates punching him. That uncertainty and high contract demands could be enough to sway some teams away
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why? Nobody really can tell.
I can.
Cause that is what philly asked for and there was no better deal to be made...or it would have been made.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:47 am to LSUZombie
It’s fun to have the guy talking all the shite on your team but typically those guys aren’t exactly model teammates. I remember when he was drafted, he was calling out UF because the coaches were telling scouts he was hard to deal with.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:52 am to GynoSandberg
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No one wants to pay a slot corner $12 mil
Except the Eagles apparently?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
I think they're going to play him at SS and see what happens. If he shows out it's going to really sting.
They are likely to run a completely different D than what we saw last year (I believe we will have a different scheme this year b/c of our roster losses/changes) with a lot more zone than we'd ever run.
They are likely to run a completely different D than what we saw last year (I believe we will have a different scheme this year b/c of our roster losses/changes) with a lot more zone than we'd ever run.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:53 pm to LSUZombie
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the drafting of Alonte Taylor, while at the time we couldn't figure out why they would take a CB in the 2nd, was done knowing full well he would be the replacement for CJGJ.
I’m as big of a fan of CJGJ as anyone. But when we saw he was a trade piece for Watson and when we drafted Taylor, I knew he would not be here next year. I didn’t think he’d be gone this year, but I knew he was not a long term piece. And we don’t know, maybe CJGJ is the next Antonio Brown nutcase and the team is dodging a land mine. Or maybe he’s the next A. Hicks who is a pro bowler and future thorn in our side. Only time will tell.
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