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re: Love it - Olave was worth trading up for

Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:11 pm to
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QB, OT, EDGE, CB are premium positions.

replace OT with WR.

QB
Edge
CB/WR

Those are your 4 premium positions, ranked.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:14 pm to
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replace OT with WR.


Blindside OT has always, and will always, be a premier position.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:02 am to
It's lost luster now that teams rotate their elite edge all over. You want an above average-good OL, but you don't necessarily need an elite LT anymore. It's usually more +EV to ensure you spend the money across the 5 than consolidate too much in one guy. That and draft OTs because they are a position that translates immediately possibly more than any other position.

If you want some intra-team comparisons, look at KC and MIA.

What did KC have to give up to get Brown? Not very much at all and they still haven't signed him long-term (likely won't now). What did KC get for Tyreke Hill? A fricking war chest. What did MIA give up to get Armstead? nothing. They got him in FA and then gave Tyreke a much larger contract.

Posted by RB10
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:49 am to
I didn’t say WR wasn’t a premier position. It absolutely is. If you want to know the premier positions, follow the money.

24 wide receivers make $15 mil per year.
18 OTs make $15 mil per year.
14 edge rushers make $15 mil per year.
9 corner backs make $15 mil per year.

QB
WR
OT
Edge
CB

In that order.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 8:51 am
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:59 am to
The Chiefs traded their 2021 first-round pick (No. 31 overall), a third-rounder (94), fourth-round pick (136) and a 2022 fifth-round selection in exchange for Brown and a 2021 second-round pick (No. 58) and a 2022 sixth-round pick.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 10:15 am to
a 3/4/5 and moving back a bit from their 1st. It wasn't much for a LT (Especially an allegedly elite one)

Chiefs traded Tyreke for a 1,2,4 and a future 4 and 6

So basically Tyreke was worth a whole 1st and future 6th more than Brown. And then he got a 4/120 extension.
Posted by Townedrunkard
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 2:13 pm to
I noticed you conviently left off what the Texans gave up for Tunsil. It’s much more than any player you can name…..
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:36 pm to
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I noticed you conviently left off what the Texans gave up for Tunsil.

Did you see what they gave up for David Johnson, too?

Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:53 pm to
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Top-6 rookie WRs by receiving yards per game (since 1970; 10 games played minimum)

1. Odell Beckham (108.8)
2. Justin Jefferson (87.5)
3. Anquan Boldin (86.1)
4. Ja’Marr Chase (85.6)
5. Randy Moss (82.1)
6. CHRIS OLAVE (76.0)


Your top 3 guys’ teams

Giants 6-10
Vikings 7-9
Cardinals 4-12
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:55 pm to
He’s not worth what would be a top-10 draft pick in a year where QBs will be available and you don’t have a long-term QB.

He’s a good player. And he’s was worth being selected in the first round. But whether he’s worth what you gave up to get him is another discussion. Everything has a benefit-cost equation. I don’t think he’s worth a top-10 pick next year.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 6:57 pm
Posted by tigerbait1.6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:15 pm to
who gonna throw it to him? who gonna block for that thrower? who gonna take away double teams? He's great yes, but the saints are dog shite and are about to remember the bad years before Drew for a long time. this won't be fixed soon.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:26 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


Renaissance Man
Posted by Townedrunkard
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:35 pm to
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Did you see what they gave up for David Johnson, too?


They gave up a disgruntled wr for Johnson, but that trade was all about getting a 2nd rounder.

Still blows up your entire argument that it cost more to get him than any player you can name. LT is still a premium position.
Posted by Townedrunkard
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:38 pm to
If Olave turns into Marvin Harrison, then sure it was worth it.

But yiu never give up what we did unless you already have a franchise qb on the roster.

Even Atlanta wasn’t that stupid. They had Marty Ice when they made the Julio trade…
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:42 pm to
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Still blows up your entire argument that it cost more to get him than any player you can name.

BOB being the dumbest GM in NFL history doesn't win any argument. Next you'll be telling me how valuable centers are b/c of what Rudy Gobert went for
Posted by Townedrunkard
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:58 pm to
Premium LT’s rarely ever hit the market, unless they are old or injured. Armstead is a perfect example, he’s played half a season for what the last 6-7 years and still got paid.

Tunsil was coming off an elite season the year before. I think multiple teams offered 2 firsts and Texans gave up more.

Kinda says something when all these elite receivers are traded or made available almost every off-season but teams rarely make left tackles available. Even the saints wanted to keep Armstead but couldn’t b/c of cap reasons. That should tell you how teams view the position. You are a fool if you believe teams don’t value the position highly, even probably more so than wr.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 10:00 pm
Posted by gsmith5651
Member since Feb 2016
570 posts
Posted on 11/24/22 at 9:13 am to
Still too much to give up for one player not a quarterback. He doesnt run after the catch. He falls to the ground, afraid to get hit. Teams have started hitting him like Tampa did to Deonte Harty in the playoff game. Its a matter of time before he starts missing games. He is a very good receiver, but he is no Tyreek hill.
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