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Looks like the Culture is indeed dead

Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by Cajunese
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
6956 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:02 am
Jeff Duncan: Inside the Saints' cultural issues. Can Dennis Allen and the Saints right the ship?

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But the first change needed to be implemented between the ears rather than between the lines. The Saints’ workplace culture had devolved. It didn’t happen overnight. But gradually the standards that had been set in the building over the years were not being met.

As the season progressed, attention to detail waned. Some players were late to meetings. At some road games, buses to and from the stadium rolled late. At one point in midseason, an audit revealed dozens of players had not been using their Microsoft tablets to study the team’s digital playbook during their off times from the facility, an issue that was quickly addressed and corrected by team leaders.

Another example of this ennui: An increasing number of players and staff began parking in the smaller public parking lot at the team’s training facility rather than the larger, gated lot reserved for them on the side of the facility. Some players even regularly parked in the front lot’s four handicapped spots. At times, this created an unnecessary shortage of parking at the facility that team officials said would be addressed but apparently was either neglected or ignored.

On their own, these might seem like minor issues. But collectively, they create an environment that encourages inertia, disorder and lowered standards, a football version of the broken windows theory — that if a window in a building is broken and left unrepaired, all the rest of the windows will soon be broken, leading to neglect, misbehavior and even criminal activity. The principle was developed to explain the decay of neighborhoods, but it is often applied to criminology and work and educational environments.


-Late for meetings
-No on-field accountability
-Not using the Microsoft tablets when instructed to
-Players purposely parking in the wrong parking lot at the Saints facility

This reminds me when Wayne Gandy had his own recliner in the locker room during the Haslett era, and Sean Payton cut him right away to rid of that type of culture. But as of now, DA has brought us back to the Haslett era of no accountability and mediocrity.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 10:35 am
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10866 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:05 am to
Screw Paywalls.

Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48212 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:11 am to
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But as of now, DA has brought up back to the Haslett era of no accountability and mediocrity.


Yep.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29347 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:14 am to
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But as of now, DA has brought up back to the Haslett era of no accountability and mediocrity.

This didn’t just happen. Dont be naive.

Payton has just as much accountability for the decline in standards as Allen does.
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
1365 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:17 am to
What? Payton hasn’t been here in 2 years. But it’s his fault? There isn’t a chance in hell they do what they did last Sunday and go against Payton. But the truth is Payton probably calls for a run play to run up the score.

This take you just made is one of the dumbest I’ve seen on here.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64053 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:24 am to
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Payton has just as much accountability for the decline in standards as Allen does.


I guess everything is still Trumps fault too
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32844 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:32 am to
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The Saints’ workplace culture had devolved. It didn’t happen overnight. But gradually the standards that had been set in the building over the years were not being met.


Again…Allen was hired specifically to keep the winning culture we had in place. He failed. Failed terribly.

He failed to create a winning culture in Oakland. That’s not in his skill set.
He failed to maintain a winning culture in New Orleans.

WHY ARE WE KEEPING THIS ABJECT FAILURE OF A HEAD COACH?!?!
Posted by oncealurker
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2013
5055 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:43 am to
Underhill also reported on his pod that players went to Mickey about DA and the coaching staff during the season.
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
53983 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:43 am to
why not let him go?

why wait for him to turn it around?

I dont understand, what am I missing here?

Let the motherfricker go.

Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
53983 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:44 am to
quote:

WHY ARE WE KEEPING THIS ABJECT FAILURE OF A HEAD COACH?!?!



what am I missing?

I dont get it.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29347 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:17 am to
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What? Payton hasn’t been here in 2 years. But it’s his fault?

The franchise in Payton’s last few years was not the same franchise from a decade before.

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There isn’t a chance in hell they do what they did last Sunday and go against Payton

You sure about that? 2012 Sean Payton and Drew Brees, absolutely. But 2018 Sean Payton?
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8615 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:23 am to
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I guess everything is still Trumps fault too


According to CNN, MSNBC and every Democrat I know, especially the border crisis. That’s especially Trumps fault.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8615 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:25 am to
quote:

WHY ARE WE KEEPING THIS ABJECT FAILURE OF A HEAD COACH?!?!


Only reason that makes sense is to tank for next year. If Micky keeps him and we miss the playoffs again, he needs to go.
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
16095 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:25 am to
quote:


Late for meetings
-No on-field accountability
-Not using the Microsoft tablets when instructed to
-Players purposely parking in the wrong parking lot at the Saints facility



This speaks to the culture and why we see the missed assignments, lack of effort, and penalties during games. This is what creates a losing culture and losing teams.
Posted by bstaceyau19
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2022
313 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:34 am to
You didn't post the part of the column where it said that the same thing happened after 2016 and 3 straight 7-9 seasons. The column said that Sean payton basically had grown complacent and sort of given up. Zach Strief went into Payton's office after the season and basically chewed him out and told him to get with the program. Duncan seems to be arguing that things with SP were worse in 2016 than they are with DA now.
Posted by Cajunese
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
6956 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:51 am to
quote:

You didn't post the part of the column where it said that the same thing happened after 2016 and 3 straight 7-9 seasons. The column said that Sean payton basically had grown complacent and sort of given up. Zach Strief went into Payton's office after the season and basically chewed him out and told him to get with the program. Duncan seems to be arguing that things with SP were worse in 2016 than they are with DA now.



The issue here is that Sean Payton had a basis of success. DA just experienced his first winning season with probably the easiest schedule ever.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
420693 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Underhill also reported on his pod that players went to Mickey about DA and the coaching staff during the season.


Jesus Christ
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
8039 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:04 am to
Is it just me or the players parking in certain areas probably reserved for DA and other higher administrative staff is complete frick you to DA. It kind of made me chuckle too. No one respects or wants to play for this idiot.
Posted by valj32
Member since Sep 2022
73 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:27 pm to
I read the article as a complete excuse for keeping DA.. it says ML went in alone after DA to let the team know what is exactly expected. Hey Mick if you have to do that you don’t have the right coach. And Jeff— who sets the culture - it’s the head coach. It’s like I’m in a bizarro world every time I hear ML make excuses. Also if DA needs Gruden he is not right coach nor does he have the right assistants
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115209 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:35 pm to
Loomis: we are hiring DA to keep the culture

Culture dies

Keeps DA
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