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re: Kellen Moore would be a GOOD hire
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:06 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:06 am to Fun Bunch
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But we have also seen so called doomed situations turn around quickly with the right HC (and QB).
I don't think we've ever seen a situation like this with severe cap problems AND an extremely old/aging roster that you can't get away from because of said cap issues.
This team would be smart to get away from Carr ASAP just to use the available cap to get off the other contracts. Even that would be a 2 year process at minimum.
I think there is just a much of a chance that Loomis kicks the can again on Carr's contract which, IMO, puts us clearly into a 3 year hole to solve the cap issues.
I don't think there's a coach alive that can win with this scenario.
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:14 am to TigerMan327
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He was OC for cowboys. Their offense got better when McCarthy fired him and took over play calling.
So make Moore the HC and McCarthy the OC, problem solved
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:19 am to moneyg
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This team would be smart to get away from Carr ASAP just to use the available cap to get off the other contracts. Even that would be a 2 year process at minimum.
I think there is just a much of a chance that Loomis kicks the can again on Carr's contract which, IMO, puts us clearly into a 3 year hole to solve the cap issues.
I hear what you are saying, but I disagree with the approach. I think they need to kick the can on Carr, and even give a short extension; then use that time to gut the other aging & expensive contracts to clear the cap. During that time, find your long-term solution that may be able to take over by 2027.
The ONLY reason I think this is the route is because if you move on from Carr now, you are putting too much money in dead cap space while also knowing there are a handful of other aging contracts that will drop off the books in the next 2 years. I think that will be too much at once and will force them to move on from some young talent that will be part of the rebuild/new team starting in 2026/2027
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:32 am to moneyg
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I don't think we've ever seen a situation like this with severe cap problems AND an extremely old/aging roster that you can't get away from because of said cap issues.
They have cap room the next two years, a lot of cap room 2 years from now.
Obviously that will change as they have to get in compliance this year, but it might not take as long as people think, if they do the right thing (which, of course, we are well within our rights to think they won't)
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:47 am to Kool Kaliper
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Kellen Moore wasn't even a name a week ago, not to mention he really wanted the Dallas job. If he does get hired how long before Jerry comes calling. Hire someone who wants to be here.
The same thing was said about Sean Payton most of his time in NOLA that he would eventually leave for Dallas
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:49 am to Fun Bunch
quote:can you explain what you mean by this?
They have cap room the next two years
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:56 am to moneyg
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I'm of the opinion that this hire is meaningless.
Drafting and development is the forefront of this rebuild. Getting quality systems in play. Culture, regimes etc.This new hire is important, the foundation needs solidifying
Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:00 pm to saints5021
quote:Based on? I see people say this and I am not sure why the comparison.
Moore is the closest to 2006 Payton that we could hope for.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:04 pm to moneyg
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can you explain what you mean by this?
They have cap room in 2026 and 2027 offseasons. 200 mill plus in 2027
This will of course change but there are a series of moves they can make to make next year not as dire and 2027 at least decent.
I don't know if they will though.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:08 pm to moneyg
When he was rumored to be the Dallas candidate a lot of the local media here in Dallas we’re talking about how little he was respected while he was here
They said he has zero room presence and players off the record said they didn’t respect him
Dak and him are best friends, so that’s why he was being pushed by him to get an interview
Just repeating what I heard but living in Dallas that was the narrative when he was here.
They said he has zero room presence and players off the record said they didn’t respect him
Dak and him are best friends, so that’s why he was being pushed by him to get an interview
Just repeating what I heard but living in Dallas that was the narrative when he was here.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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They have cap room in 2026 and 2027 offseasons. 200 mill plus in 2027
Didn't know what you meant by "next 2 years". Thought you were referring to 25 and 26.
You are actually saying what I'm saying. Next year's room doesn't really exist due to this year amount over the cap. So, at best you are talking '27 (year 3) before we are ok from a cap standpoint. More than likely, it will be '28.
It's a 2-3 year process just to get out of the hole. I don't think this hire is going to be the one coaching at that point.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:21 pm to Fun Bunch
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I think Moore would be a better hire than we were expecting. I was expecting the absolute dregs of the NFL.
This. I get the whole hesitancy of “can he be a leader of men” and “can he run a locker room”
But here’s the thing. He went into a pretty volatile situation in Philly with some big personalities and has made it work. Better than made it work. The guys in Philly have bought into him. If he can handle that, he will probably do just fine here.
And even if he struggles a bit with it. He can hire a DC like Zimmer to help learn from about that while Zimmer can be the “enforcer” and I’m sure having Cam, Demario, McCoy and Tyrann will only help. He’s not coming into a young team. A good DC hire and those leaders will give him enough authority to the new guys long enough for him to find his voice in the locker room. Hopefully
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:28 pm to TigerMan327
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Is he though?
His offenses in Dallas ranked 1st, 3rd, 7th and 17th. The 17th ranked season was when Dak got a season ending injury.
The Chargers were trending towards being a top 10 before Herbert got hurt. He was at 3k yards passing and at 20 TDs and only 7 INTs as well before he got hurt. I wouldn’t exactly call that regression
And now Hurts looks terrible despite throwing for 20 TDs and only 5 INTs and 3k yards passing? Everyone said he was too pass happy so he adjusts and now has a 2K yard rusher. You do realize how bad Philly’s offense was a year ago, right? They fired their OC. Now he’s helped lead that offense to the Super Bowl. You people are just exposing yourselves as dumb mother frickers
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:13 pm to WicKed WayZ
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His offenses in Dallas ranked 1st, 3rd, 7th and 17th. The 17th ranked season was when Dak got a season ending injury.
The year after he left they were the #1 offense. They improved.
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The Chargers were trending towards being a top 10 before Herbert got hurt. He was at 3k yards passing and at 20 TDs and only 7 INTs as well before he got hurt. I wouldn’t exactly call that regression
2023 was statistically Hebert worst season in his career. So yes you can call it a regression.
They regressed during his one year there.
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And now Hurts looks terrible despite throwing for 20 TDs and only 5 INTs and 3k yards passing? Everyone said he was too pass happy so he adjusts and now has a 2K yard rusher. You do realize how bad Philly’s offense was a year ago, right? They fired their OC. Now he’s helped lead that offense to the Super Bowl. You people are just exposing yourselves as dumb mother frickers
Yes. Hurts has also had his worst season statistically since becoming a full time starter.
The eagles were concerned a complete shite show last year by everyone.
This year they added a historical season by an elite RB and their offense is statistically ranked the exact same as they were last year.
He doesn’t move the needle brethren
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:16 am to TigerMan327
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He doesn’t move the needle brethren
Pretty much everyone disagrees with you brethren
Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:50 am to TigerMan327
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Yes. Hurts has also had his worst season statistically since becoming a full time starter
If by worst you mean career highs in completion%, TD%, and passer rating, then yes, worst season
Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:56 am to Fun Bunch
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Jerry can come calling all he wants if Moore is under contract. It also means he's doing well as a HC
Correct, and it would be a good problem to have but we’re getting way ahead of ourselves as Moore has not accepted.
If Moore does have success it is reasonable to expect he will eventually want to leave (he’s a young man and raising a family in NOLA is not easy). Payton tried to leave at least 3 times and started about 9-10 years into his tenure.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 5:50 am to TigerMan327
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2023 was statistically Hebert worst season in his career. So yes you can call it a regression. They regressed during his one year there.
You fricks are the worst.
Just ignore that Herbert played basically 12 games and threw 20 tds, which is closer to 28-30 td season, than the 25 td season he had before Moore arrived.
Shutupp
Posted on 1/28/25 at 7:10 am to Kool Kaliper
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not to mention he really wanted the Dallas job
A- you don’t know this
B- the Dallas job was available
Posted on 1/28/25 at 7:19 am to Fun Bunch
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They have cap room the next two years, a lot of cap room 2 years from now.
Every team has cap room in 2027 as many contracts expire prior to then.
Let me make it simple if you have $200M in space for 2027 but combined $120M over for 2025 and 2026 that will eventually be eaten by the $200M available once Loomis restructures or can kicks leaving at best $80M (but it won’t be this much because we LOVE void years.
By this time next year, we’ll be over the cap again in 2027!
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