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Jim Mora's resignation from the Saints
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:00 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:00 am
The past few days I have been taking a trip down memory lane youtubing Saints games during the Mora Era. I was a kid and huge Saints fan during his years as coach. I watched a lot of the games I attended, and relived the big plays.
Then of course the press conferences with Mora cracked me up. Here is one that I saw for the first time tonight, which had me rolling on the floor laughing. I remember a preseason game in '96 we were slaughtered, and I realized there was no hope for the season after that game.
Mora is pissed
So I have a question for the historians. Why did Mora quit after the Carolina game? My theory was he was losing his players to free agency, with some going to Carolina as well as the NFC West, and the last few years he may have had beef with the front office cheaping out and wanting to move on from the has been players, but the has been players came back to kick our arse when Mora still had a use for them. I think there was a clown named Bill Kuharich among others who was in charge after Finks died. The front office seemed incompetent, and back then they seemed to be cheap. I think Mora had enough of the incompetent front office and said f this.
Please clear the air. I really liked Mora as a head coach, . I just wished he would have hired a top notch offensive coordinator. He was a defensive guru but lacked offensive knowledge, and Carl Smith was the worst man for the job.
Then of course the press conferences with Mora cracked me up. Here is one that I saw for the first time tonight, which had me rolling on the floor laughing. I remember a preseason game in '96 we were slaughtered, and I realized there was no hope for the season after that game.
Mora is pissed
So I have a question for the historians. Why did Mora quit after the Carolina game? My theory was he was losing his players to free agency, with some going to Carolina as well as the NFC West, and the last few years he may have had beef with the front office cheaping out and wanting to move on from the has been players, but the has been players came back to kick our arse when Mora still had a use for them. I think there was a clown named Bill Kuharich among others who was in charge after Finks died. The front office seemed incompetent, and back then they seemed to be cheap. I think Mora had enough of the incompetent front office and said f this.
Please clear the air. I really liked Mora as a head coach, . I just wished he would have hired a top notch offensive coordinator. He was a defensive guru but lacked offensive knowledge, and Carl Smith was the worst man for the job.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 12:06 am
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:38 am to Mariner
Ha!
"I don't take into account s#i+. All I take into account is that they kicked our a$$ today."
Nice find!
Playoffs?!
"I don't take into account s#i+. All I take into account is that they kicked our a$$ today."
Nice find!
Playoffs?!
Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:59 am to Mariner
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Why did Mora quit after the Carolina game?
He just got his arse kicked by an expansion team. Am expansion team with a bunch of former Saints.
Mora fricked himself. That’s why he quit. He was obsessed with not letting his team get old so he got rid of all his so-called “declining players” too soon. And they came back and but him in the arse.
Rickey Jackson and Toi Cook won Super Bowls with the 49ers.
Bobby Hebert and Morten Andersen kicked our asses with the Falcons.
Sam Mills kicked our arse with the Panthers.
Stan Brock went to a Super Bowl with the Chargers.
And we replaced them with crap. Joel Smeenge crap.
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I think there was a clown named Bill Kuharich among others who was in charge after Finks died
They didn’t hire a new GM after Finks died. They just split the duties between Mora, Kiharich, and Jim Miller. That was really, really really stupid. The Saints didn’t really have a legit GM between Finks and Loomis. There was a guy right before Loomis but they fired him out of the blue after a couple of years if I recall.
Edit:Rick Mueller and Terry O’Neil? I think they were sacked in the middle of a season and everybody freaked out. Shows what we knew.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 6:09 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 6:40 am to lsutigers1992
It was Randy Mueller not Rick.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 6:58 am to lsutigers1992
Don't forget Wesley Walls....
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:14 am to lsutigers1992
Randy Mueller was fired because he allowed company money to be used for an abortion and a pay out to a saintsation on behalf of Haslett.
Then he was blackballed from the league and has never really held anything of any importance again.
He was a good GM and built a legitimate team in NOLA after the Ditka debacle. He also did wonders in Seattle before coming to the saints.
Kuharich was awful in his time with the Saints. He has since done a yeoman like job and deserves a lot of credit for the current iteration of the KC Chiefs.
Then he was blackballed from the league and has never really held anything of any importance again.
He was a good GM and built a legitimate team in NOLA after the Ditka debacle. He also did wonders in Seattle before coming to the saints.
Kuharich was awful in his time with the Saints. He has since done a yeoman like job and deserves a lot of credit for the current iteration of the KC Chiefs.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:29 am to touchdownjeebus
Per Wikipedia
Kuharich has actually been out of the league since 2016
quote:
As the Kansas City Chiefs' Pro Personnel Director (2000-2005), Kuharich helped orchestrate the acquisitions of Priest Holmes, Eddie Kennison, Trent Green and (eventual Pro Football Hall of Famer), Willie Roaf. Kuharich was promoted to Vice-President of Player Personnel in 2006; between 2006 and 2008, they acquired standouts like Tamba Hali; Dwayne Bowe; Brandon Flowers; Jamaal Charles, and Brandon Carr. Kuharich was released by the Chiefs on April 29, 2009. On February 11, 2014, Kuharich was hired by the Cleveland Browns to advise first-time General Manager Ray Farmer on player-personnel. Farmer had worked under Kuharich when both were with the Chiefs. On May 20, 2014, Kuharich was named Executive Chief of staff by the Cleveland Browns. Kuharich played a pivotal role in the organization's personnel's moves, including the college and pro scouting departments, serving as a key cog in all facets of the Brown' process of evaluating and acquiring talent. He also assisted GM Ray Farmer in key decisions in the team's overall strategic vision as well as decisions involving NFL league matters.[1] He was released along with the rest of Ray Farmer’s staff on January 4, 2016.[2]
Kuharich has actually been out of the league since 2016
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:03 am to Bedatitwas
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Don't forget Wesley Walls....
Walls was young. That was just a stupid personnel decision all around.
Didn’t Brett Maxie also start for the Panthers?
They unceremoniously dumped Vaughan Johnson but he was pretty much done.
To give you an idea of how bad their personnel evaluation was in the mid 90s, they traded or dumped the entire Dome Patrol and replaced them with Renaldo Turnbull, James Williams, Demond Winston and Joel Smeenge. Just terrible.
But they did turn Pat Swilling into Willie Roaf, so there is that. But that’s about it.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:48 am to Mariner
Short answer - he was burnt the frick out.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:48 am to Mariner
If I remember right after Finks three of them Mora, Kuharich and one other convinced Benson to let them do the GM job as a team. This of course saved all three of their sorry arse jobs and was a complete disaster.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:52 am to Mariner
Sam Mills.
Mora has always said Mills was his favorite player. Saints lost Mills to free agency that year to Carolina.
When the Saints played Carolina, Mills dominated the game.
Mora's outburst after the game was more directed to the front office letting them know the talent they now have sucks and them letting Mills go was another example of their stupidity. Mora saw the writing on the wall as they now had a incompetent front office since Finks left.
Mora has always said Mills was his favorite player. Saints lost Mills to free agency that year to Carolina.
When the Saints played Carolina, Mills dominated the game.
Mora's outburst after the game was more directed to the front office letting them know the talent they now have sucks and them letting Mills go was another example of their stupidity. Mora saw the writing on the wall as they now had a incompetent front office since Finks left.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:10 am to Mariner
He was a good coach who just got burned out. His time here had run its course. And (like Les Miles) he refused to hire an OC whose philosophy was not a decade out of date. Why? Pure hardheadness (also like Miles).
Some of those old clips are clssics.
Some of those old clips are clssics.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:12 am to martiallaw
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Mora fricked himself. That’s why he quit. He was obsessed with not letting his team get old so he got rid of all his so-called “declining players” too soon. And they came back and but him in the arse.
Mora made those decisions to let go Morten, Hebert, Jackson?
quote:
Mora's outburst after the game was more directed to the front office letting them know the talent they now have sucks and them letting Mills go was another example of their stupidity. Mora saw the writing on the wall as they now had a incompetent front office since Finks left.
This is what I thought had likely happened.
As far as Mueller, he definitely seemed to be a savior for the franchise. When Benson fired him it was definitely a WTF moment and I assumed Benson was pissed because he was spending his money to get players. If you all remember, Benson was not popular with the public between '95 and after Katrina. He gave off the greedy rich man scrooge stigma. He along with the franchise was resurrected in 2006, and when he made the announcement over the Superdome PA that tickets would not increase for 2007, he went back to being God like it was 1987.
I think after that altercation outside Tiger Stadium after a game prompted him to hire a PR firm to speak for him and change his image. That's when the franchise started charity events and community involvement.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:29 am to geauxpurple
mora was loyal to the offensive coordinator- after the game saints players said sam mills was calling out the saints plays because the genius offensive coordinator didnt change the offensive terminology
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:58 am to Mariner
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Mora made those decisions to let go Morten, Hebert, Jackson?
He was 1/3 of the three-headed GM. He had a big say in what happened. Don't fool yourself. And Kuharich was his old buddy all the way back to the Philadelphia Stars. He was there a long time and he his fingerprints were everywhere. It's like saying Sean Payton had no influence on our draft picks and free agent signings.
The one he probably had little to do with was Hebert. That was a Jim Finks thing.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 11:05 am to Mariner
I have never seen a more broken down coach watching Mora’s press conference. That man was completely broke! It was truly sad!
Posted on 7/22/22 at 11:27 am to lsutigers1992
Thats how I remember it. Was a utter disaster that was done just to save their jobs from a new GM.
Mora was just as responsible as the other two.
Mora was just as responsible as the other two.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 11:45 am to goatmilker
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Thats how I remember it. Was a utter disaster that was done just to save their jobs from a new GM. Mora was just as responsible as the other two.
It was just the “oh shite” moment. Look at the NFC West
49ers won the Super Bowl
An expansion team was on its way to the NFCCG
The Falcons were 2 years from a Super Bowl.
And Jim Mora coached the greatest LB corps of all time, had 4 Hall of Famers, and he never won a fricking playoff game.
It was gonna take years to get back from that exact moment, so he said “frick it” and quit.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:04 pm to saray
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after the game saints players said sam mills was calling out the saints plays because the genius offensive coordinator didnt change the offensive terminology
Bwaaaahhhaaahhhaaaa!!!!! This made my day!
Good talk everyone. I did not realize the GM was split between the three of them.
I don't blame him for quitting after seeing the NFC West teams performance, and how he was passed by. I am sure that was embarrassing, a punch to the gut, and a crumbling of his pride.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:10 pm to saray
quote:
mora was loyal to the offensive coordinator- after the game saints players said sam mills was calling out the saints plays because the genius offensive coordinator didnt change the offensive terminology
I'll bet he did
But he did that when he was on the Saints too.
Dome Patrol
fast forward to around 2:20
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