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re: Its very odd to me that you guys want to make changes and win games this year.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:35 am to stopitnow1
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:35 am to stopitnow1
I want to win games. I do not want to spend any capital to try to win a couple of games unless we are getting a piece to build on for the future. I also do not want a coach or players who are not trying to win games.
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:44 am to saintlad74
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So why not give him some reps to see where we need to be at with the draft?
I think it’s very plausible after seeing what they have in both all offseason and in practice/fim, etc they view rattler as the better prospect (relatively speaking).
Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:10 am to Chrome
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I guess the reality is we want to see what Shough has to determine where we are at QB.
In fairness, I don't think seeing him play this season gives us any real idea of who he is as a QB. Plenty of QBs playing as rookies look like dog water when the right pieces aren't in place. I'm happy to let him sit until week 16ish and absorb everything he can. If Shough comes in and starts winning games midway through the year (he won't, but IF) and we miss the playoffs but push ourselves down to 10 in the draft, no one will be happy about that.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:19 am to stopitnow1
Super bowl winning qbs can come from FA. How could a Saint fan think otherwise lol
Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:19 am to stopitnow1
These “tank the season so the Saints can hang their hats on an unproven rookie” threads are so stupid that I can’t believe the authors can figure out how to breathe.
Bunch of full-on retards…
The entire roster has careers to think about. Each and every one of them. Those careers don’t last by turning in crappy stats.
So does the coaching staff.
Then there’s the matter of federal law as it relates to anticompetitive behavior.
Then there’s Vegas.
Then there’s the fact that this mythical unnamed draft pick with no NFL experience whatsoever who can single-handedly save the franchise is a total freaking unicorn.
Idiots…
Bunch of full-on retards…
The entire roster has careers to think about. Each and every one of them. Those careers don’t last by turning in crappy stats.
So does the coaching staff.
Then there’s the matter of federal law as it relates to anticompetitive behavior.
Then there’s Vegas.
Then there’s the fact that this mythical unnamed draft pick with no NFL experience whatsoever who can single-handedly save the franchise is a total freaking unicorn.
Idiots…
Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:55 am to geauxpurple
quote:Way, way, WAY too early to make pronouncements like this. And history tells us drafting a QB in the NFL is always a crapshoot anyway, we're just as likely to hit this draft as the next. You want to wait on the next sure thing like Trevor Lawrence? Caleb Williams? I'll take a one year wonder like Joe Burrow or Jayden Daniels (LSU bias aside). There's no guarantees but this draft will have guys with traits and stats.
And who would that QB be?
I don’t see any out there that I would want this year.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:32 am to Spelt it rong
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If Shough comes in and starts winning games midway through the year (he won't, but IF) and we miss the playoffs but push ourselves down to 10 in the draft, no one will be happy about that.
IF Shough who is a rookie qb came in and won games it would be highly welcomed by this franchise. They wouldn’t be worried about a few spots if he showed the ability to win in the nfl with a shite roster.
I think it’s more likely he comes in and it looks worse. If he was even level with Rattler right now he’d be starting given the increased investment and actually being brought in by this regime.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:47 am to St Augustine
Sam Darnold was a guy that always had talent but was stuck behind bad coaching and some issues between the ears
I think Mac jones was always over drafted and right now he’s playing at about his ceiling, which isn’t terrible but I wouldn’t want to be the team that overpays him based on his play so far this season and someone will.
I think Mac jones was always over drafted and right now he’s playing at about his ceiling, which isn’t terrible but I wouldn’t want to be the team that overpays him based on his play so far this season and someone will.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:55 am to stopitnow1
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We need a legitimate QB. He's not currently on the roster and he isnt going to be a free agent.
The Saints drafted a QB with the 40th pick. He may be the worst QB who ever put on an NFL uniform, or he might be pretty good. The point is no one knows until we see him play. I don't think anyone is expecting a late playoff run or even clamoring for more wins. But it's not unreasonable to say "hey, let's see what we have in Shough." If he's solid, then maybe the Saints can address other positions of need (of which there are many) in the draft. If not, then the Saints will continue to lose and they know they need to draft a QB.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:26 am to Spelt it rong
No, I don’t agree with you. If Shough were to win that many games it would clearly indicate that qb is a stable position with a competent starter and adequate backup (Rattled).
Even if the draft position slides to 10, there is still quality to choose from. Consistently picking in the top 5 does not guarantee an improved team.
Of course, none of this will happen. Shough may come in and look better than Rattled, but this Bags team will not be going on anything other than a losing streak this year.
Even if the draft position slides to 10, there is still quality to choose from. Consistently picking in the top 5 does not guarantee an improved team.
Of course, none of this will happen. Shough may come in and look better than Rattled, but this Bags team will not be going on anything other than a losing streak this year.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:39 am to dcw7g
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You want to wait on the next sure thing like Trevor Lawrence?
He doesn't look like a sure thing.
quote:Neither were 1 year wonders. You could see them getting better every year.
I'll take a one year wonder like Joe Burrow or Jayden Daniels (LSU bias aside).
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:49 am to St Augustine
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I think it’s more likely he comes in and it looks worse.
I think that's a terrible opinion considering our schedule and why we are doing what we are currently doing.
Our current schedule through the first 9 games is 37-24 with (2) teams combined for 10-2 up next.
After that our schedule through the last 8 games is 21-33.
Why the frick would we throw Shough to the wolves and risk injury against 2 stout teams instead of letting Rattler get beat the frick up for 2 obvious losses and then role Shough out against an easier schedule to end the season?
It makes so much sense that y'all give me a headache with the dumbest opinions and takes on "why isn't Shough starting" and "Why is Rattler playing". Its really that obvious of an answer.
Rattler gets 9 against tougher opponents and Shough will most likely get 8 against weaker opponents.
It makes sense from an emotional decision because we want a good draft pick hint: Continue starting Rattler in games we will lose. But we also want to give the fans hope and something to be excited about. That's wayyy easier when you have the opportunity to give Shough 8 games against mainly shitty teams where he could realistically finish 3-5 or 4-4 and bring some hope/ excitement into next year. We also still finish with a low draft pick regardless.
I don't think any of this has changed since we started Rattler and yet every week is another stupid arse hot take.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:51 am to Dantheman504
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I think that's a terrible opinion
We will eventually see.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:00 am to St Augustine
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We will eventually see.
Shough is arguably better or equal to Rattler. Whether he is ready to run the offense and up to speed is a different question. But talent wise its already extremely close and if you add in the talent differential on opposing teams then its hard to think he'd do worse. He isn't going to be playing 49ers, Bills, Seahawks, NE, etccc. He's going to be playing the Jets, Dolphins, Titans. The whole point of that seems to be so that he is in the easiest position to succeed and do well.
That's not a shot at Rattler, I think he's played alright. The schedule is just that much easier to the end of season.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:07 am to Recoveringcajun
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These “tank the season so the Saints can hang their hats on an unproven rookie” threads are so stupid that I can’t believe the authors can figure out how to breathe.
Bunch of full-on retards…
The entire roster has careers to think about. Each and every one of them. Those careers don’t last by turning in crappy stats.
So does the coaching staff.
Then there’s the matter of federal law as it relates to anticompetitive behavior.
Then there’s Vegas.
Then there’s the fact that this mythical unnamed draft pick with no NFL experience whatsoever who can single-handedly save the franchise is a total freaking unicorn.
Idiots…
First, the weird spacing between your sentences is not necessary. Secondly, no one expects the players or coaches to "tank". If the players aren't trying their hardest, cut the MFers. Tanking, for lack of a better word, happens at the GM/organizational level when (for example) Derek Carr retires and is not replaced with a vet QB, or we roll with rookies like Sanker, Riley, and Simpkins rather than trade for proven players, or we let Grupe play through a slump rather than cutting him. As fans, it's OK to root for losses this year because we know the team is not going to the playoffs and it gives us a better opportunity to improve in the next draft. Don't project your stupidity onto the rest of us.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:35 am to Dantheman504
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Shough is arguably better or equal to Rattler.
I mean maybe, again we will see.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 1:06 pm to saintsfan1977
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You want to wait on the next sure thing like Trevor Lawrence?
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He doesn't look like a sure thing.
I should've been more clear I was being sarcastic. My point was neither Trevor Lawrence nor Caleb Williams appear to be the "sure things" everyone thought they were, so passing up a QB this draft in hopes there is a better one next year would be foolish. You never know until you shoot your shot.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 1:37 pm to stopitnow1
The irony of this post.
The QB of the future isn't on the roster according to you. Why then are you worried about winning? If Shough comes in and wins games, that invalidates your entire point. Fans know what we have in rattler, let's see what Shough has.
The QB of the future isn't on the roster according to you. Why then are you worried about winning? If Shough comes in and wins games, that invalidates your entire point. Fans know what we have in rattler, let's see what Shough has.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 1:37 pm to dcw7g
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so passing up a QB this draft in hopes there is a better one next year would be foolish. You never know until you shoot your shot.
It's not that there's a better one next year. This team has alot of holes. It appears there's no QB in the draft that will come in and light up the league day 1. I'd rather shore up the defense or even grab a stud WR instead of hoping we get a decent QB when we have a guy on the bench. We can win games with what we have. Rattler isn't a stud by any means but we can win if we surround him with talent on both sides of the ball. If Shough is better than we are set.
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