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Ireland interview with Bears is tomorrow
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:13 am
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Let’s hope he realizes that going to the bears could end up doing a lot more damage than good to his career
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The #Bears will interview #Saints VP and assistant GM Jeff Ireland for their vacant GM job tomorrow, source said. A former #Bears ballboy for training camp in the 80s, he has a picture of Walter Payton on his desk. Ireland’s grandfather Jim Parmer, was a longtime Chicago scout.
Let’s hope he realizes that going to the bears could end up doing a lot more damage than good to his career
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:15 am to tigersquad89
So your pitch to keep him is saying how he'd likely be a failure if he were to be one of them real full time GM's...
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:18 am to Chad504boy
I don’t have to pitch him to stay.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:26 am to tigersquad89
Saints need to elevate him to GM. This is not the offseason to lose him.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:29 am to ElRoos
If the Bears is his dream job, he is gone.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:06 am to tigersquad89
For years on this very message board, I have been critical of the New Orleans Saints front office for maintaining this weird structure that does not have "football guy" as the person holding the sole title of "General Manager".
Before Ireland, Loomis was GM and Payton, HC. Loomis is not a "football guy", he's a bean counter. As such, the Saints FO was mediocre at player acquisition.
Now, even at this late date, after last year when Fontenot was poached away, the FO and Ownership of this franchise have maintained this status quo - this weird structure in which there is no pure football guy in charge as GM.
I do sincerely hope that the Saints can one day realize the error of their ways and make the necessary corrections.
I find in life that most people don't learn things about doing it a better way unless they suffer severe adverse consequences from their own stupid mistakes. Let's see whether this rule can apply to an NFL franchise.
Thank you for your time.
Before Ireland, Loomis was GM and Payton, HC. Loomis is not a "football guy", he's a bean counter. As such, the Saints FO was mediocre at player acquisition.
Now, even at this late date, after last year when Fontenot was poached away, the FO and Ownership of this franchise have maintained this status quo - this weird structure in which there is no pure football guy in charge as GM.
I do sincerely hope that the Saints can one day realize the error of their ways and make the necessary corrections.
I find in life that most people don't learn things about doing it a better way unless they suffer severe adverse consequences from their own stupid mistakes. Let's see whether this rule can apply to an NFL franchise.
Thank you for your time.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:13 am to tigersquad89
It’s tough to turn down a job like that when home comes calling. I didn’t realize he grew up around the bears.
Would be a major loss, hope we can keep him.
Would be a major loss, hope we can keep him.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:26 am to tigersquad89
If he wants to go he goes and nothing the saints can do about it. There are enough sh!t show franchises who would offer him any amount of power and money to take the job.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:32 am to tigersquad89
My guess is he is gone if they end up offering him. Three minutes in listening to Mike Hass interview him I was convinced he is turning the page. I just hope he realizes what a mess the Bears front office has become.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:33 am to Champagne
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For years on this very message board, I have been critical of the New Orleans Saints front office for maintaining this weird structure that does not have "football guy" as the person holding the sole title of "General Manager".
Loomis and Payton are the defacto acting owners of the Saints.
The arrangement has a proven track record.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:59 am to Champagne
This weird structure is why the saints have been the best drafting team in the last 5 years.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:10 pm to tigersquad89
The good thing is the bears are interviewing some other really good talents.
The player personnel guy from the titans. Think they are also interviewing the vp of the browns. Hopefully ireland doesn't get the job.
If he does i do think the saints could grab a nice replacement.
The player personnel guy from the titans. Think they are also interviewing the vp of the browns. Hopefully ireland doesn't get the job.
If he does i do think the saints could grab a nice replacement.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:29 pm to Mrwhodat
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The arrangement has a proven track record.
Which was dying until they hired Ireland
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:53 pm to tigersquad89
Hopefully the Bears can pick from someone else's front office...they just fired a Saints guy
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:53 pm to tigersquad89
I hope Ireland gets minor-ly roofied right before his interview with the Bears.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:14 pm to tigersquad89
I mean, Ireland put the structure in place. Just keep following it. I'm sure he didn't keep his thoughts/methodology secrets in his time here. 
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:34 pm to tigersquad89
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This weird structure is why the saints have been the best drafting team in the last 5 years.
Yes, but, if Ireland leaves, it might be because he wants a true GM job and not be involved in the Saints current weird structure. So, I say this: the Saints should have ended this weird structure and promoted Ireland to GM. They didn't, so, now we'll see whether the Bears offer of GM will be more attractive to Ireland than staying in this weird Saints FO structure.
Maybe the man wants to be a real GM. He does not hold that Office here in NOLA.
The Saints should have created the FO structure in which Ireland taking a GM job elsewhere would be a lateral move. They didn't. If Ireland takes a GM job elsewhere, it would be a Promotion, not a lateral move. IMHO, that makes his move to be GM elsewhere more likely.
You want to minimize your exposure to the risk of your people being poached. I'm not sure that the Saints have done that.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Which was dying until they hired Ireland
I agree.
This "proven track record" was proved to be mediocre to poor until Ireland was brough on board into the Saints weird FO structure.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:01 pm to Champagne
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This "proven track record" was proved to be mediocre to poor until Ireland was brough on board into the Saints weird FO structure.
Respond directly to me. You scared. Because you are being very disingenuous and totally ignoring the complete record of CSP and Loomis.
It has worked very well. Recent history is way above the standard for most franchises.
Until it's broke, you're living in the past and are very shortsighted.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:58 pm to Mrwhodat
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and totally ignoring the complete record of CSP and Loomis.
They caught fire in a bottle early b/c we had a GOAT-level QB on a cheap deal and hit a few longshots in the draft.
It got REAL bad after that outlier/longshot core had to be replaced somewhat.
I mean we traded Jimmy G a year after his big deal and cut Junior Gallette a year after his big deal. That was the low point.
Those 2 moves followed signing Byrd and the infamous 2014 draft...OK maybe that was the low point.
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