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re: If we don’t see Shough starting this week
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:33 am to bayou85
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:33 am to bayou85
You wouldn't hear anything about Shough looking great in practice because it isn't training camp. NFL teams do not split time in weekly practice. It is all about gameplanning and preparing for the opponent. You will only hear about Shough when it is announced he is starting.
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:37 am to infantry1026
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Every time I see some moron on here or X post this stupidity…….. I immediately know that no one should listen to them
Shough was a better runner and more mobile in college. He is a better athlete by every metric. FFS bruh, Saints fans are fricking retarded lol
Shough is a better athlete than Spencer without a doubt but his pressure response is terrible. He arguably could have been a first rounder if not for the way he clearly panics and throws ducks when pressured. It was extremely consistently present on his film at Louisville last year.
On the flip side, Rattler is hanging in and not letting pressure bother him at an elite level right now. Yeah, he’s extremely deficient in other areas and I’m not arguing he’s like a franchise QB or something. But we are a team who is giving up the 3rd most pressure in the NFL. Starting a rookie who panics badly under pressure instead of a 2nd year QB whose biggest strength is pressure avoidance under these circumstances just does not make sense.
I think Shough should see the field after the bye, when the schedule is softer and he can have more time to grow and prepare
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:21 am to Tiger985
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Well we need to at least question the draft.
This.
I didn't love the Shough pick, but the Saints took him. He's on the roster.
While Rattler hasn't been the only reason for the losing, in over 10 starts he's shown nothing to suggest he's good enough to overcome some deficiencies elsewhere on the roster.
So the question the FO has to ask itself is "do you ever see Rattler becoming a great franchise QB?" If the answer is yes, with roster improvements around him, then the next question is why did the Saints waste a 2nd round pick on Shough when it could have been used to try to upgrade another position? If the answer is no, then why waste any more time confirming what you already know to be true. Get Shough in so you can evaluate him ahead of the draft.
Either way, it's likely the Saints are going to be picking high enough to have a choice among the top QB prospects. If Shough performs well in his starts then maybe you take a good prospect at another position. If he doesn't, then you know you need to strongly consider taking a QB while the opportunity is there.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:52 am to DJ3K
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Almost like he is saying something about Shough without actually saying anything
Yeah….something like‘I don’t want the qb I picked to get destroyed by a crap oline, no real number 1 wr and Johnson as his te’.
Sometimes it’s best for a qb to not play.
I didn’t necessarily like the pick but I can understand why Moore wouldn’t want him to play with this current roster.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:30 pm to saintsfan1977
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Or there is something we don't know about in practice that's keeping him sidelined. If Shough looked great in practice we'd hear about it. Not a fricking peep about him since the season started.
Kellen Moore isn't stupid. He knows damn well that this team has major problems and trotting out your rookie QB for evaluation to only lose games is not building confidence in him. It sets him up for failure.
Coaches are not infallible, you are in a position that you will be needing to evaluate whether or not to draft a QB early in next year’s draft. You need to give Shough the rest of the season to have an accurate evaluation of him. You can’t get a full evaluation from fricking practice…….when he is only getting limited reps.
If we had a veteran QB, and were in the playoff race……this is an entirely different conversation. That’s not what we have, we are 1-6, and the offense is severely limited with Rattler and you saw why yesterday.
Shough doesn’t need to be coddled, and if Moore is too scared to make a change for what players or media/fans will say……then he’s not the answer either.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:44 pm to infantry1026
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you are in a position that you will be needing to evaluate whether or not to draft a QB early in next year’s draft.
No. There's not a single QB worth drafting with our first pick and it doesn't set us up for the future. We are in a position to better this team all the way around. Draft playmakers. We don't need a QB until we have the pieces in place to support one. Right now we don't. Start Rattler the rest of the year or until the bye. I don't care. Shough can start next year for all I care.
We need to draft DE, LB, WR, S, CB, OL, K.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:31 pm to saintsfan1977
Real NFL scouts say that you don't start really scouting college QBs until November.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:37 pm to saints5021
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Real NFL scouts say that you don't start really scouting college QBs until November.
So QBs getting drafted only need be good for 2 months? Wtf.
Which NCAA QB has 3 to 4 years of elite production right now? If it's 0 then frick drafting a QB. We don't need more questionable draft picks. We need studs and I know there's no stud at QB right now.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:03 pm to saintsfan1977
There's not a single QB worth drafting with our first pick and it doesn't set us up for the future.
I think this is the mindset. I see them picking up a vet qb in off-season (should have this year imo). Draft/sign talent and have Shough start next year (or after a few vet starts).
I think this is the mindset. I see them picking up a vet qb in off-season (should have this year imo). Draft/sign talent and have Shough start next year (or after a few vet starts).
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:06 pm to dupergreenie
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I think this is the mindset. I see them picking up a vet qb in off-season (should have this year imo). Draft/sign talent and have Shough start next year (or after a few vet starts).
Yep. I agree 100%.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 8:58 pm to LooseCannon22282
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Bucs would blitz the frick out of Shough.
he isn't a mobile QB.
Where are you getting this? Dude tested very well at the combine. Way better than Rattler
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:28 pm to infantry1026
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Every time I see some moron on here or X post this stupidity…….. I immediately know that no one should listen to them
Shough was a better runner and more mobile in college. He is a better athlete by every metric. FFS bruh, Saints fans are fricking retarded lol
Keep telling yourself that.
if he's as great as you've imagined he is then why is he continuing to ride the bench?
Taysom Hill as has taken more QB snaps than he has so far.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:39 pm to MaxxPain2
He will start after the bye..
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:30 pm to LooseCannon22282
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Keep telling yourself that.
if he's as great as you've imagined he is then why is he continuing to ride the bench?
Taysom Hill as has taken more QB snaps than he has so far.
Obviously reading is very difficult for you. I have REPEATEDLY said that Shough is probably not the answer either. Frankly I DO NOT GIVE A frick if he is or isn’t, but I (along with anyone else with common sense and no agenda) KNOWS that Rattler is not the answer.
You will not know if Shough is the answer (neither will Moore), until YOU frickING PLAY HIM!
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:45 pm to saints5021
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You wouldn't hear anything about Shough looking great in practice because it isn't training camp. NFL teams do not split time in weekly practice. It is all about gameplanning and preparing for the opponent. You will only hear about Shough when it is announced he is starting.
Shough is on the scout team, which means he's going against the defense in practice during the week emulating the opponent. So it is possible that he could look good in practice but we haven't heard anything about him since preseason.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:20 pm to saints5021
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Shough is literally superior to Rattler in every single athletic measurement. You can dog on him all you want, but pretending his mobility won't be a strength is fricking stupid.
It's almost a certainty that Rattler is a better runner than Shough.
Shough may be faster...but Rattler has shown the ability to be elusive and make good, productive decisions running the ball.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:32 pm to moneyg
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Rattler has shown the ability to be elusive and make good, productive decisions running the ball.
He has elite pocket awareness. It's his other skills that need work.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 6:08 pm to MaxxPain2
with our crap offensive line it really doesn't matter. No run game added to poor pass protection. Any qb would have trouble.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 6:31 pm to MaxxPain2
It will be after the bye week you'll see him start.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 6:54 pm to moneyg
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It's almost a certainty that Rattler is a better runner than Shough.
Shough may be faster...but Rattler has shown the ability to be elusive and make good, productive decisions running the ball.
Tyler Shough rushing stats in college: 733 yds with 11 TDs
Rattler: 340 yds with 22 TDs
Try again
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