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If the goal is to win Superbowls
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:23 pm
Then someone make an argument for signing Carr. Since it seems 80% of the board supports the move and have even convinced themselves that Carr is a top 10 QB 
, then tell me why you like it? Because I think every objective fan, even of this board, knows we have no chance at winning a playoff game, much less a SB with Carr and Allen leading the franchise.
Now if your goal is to save Allen's job for another year or two, and remain competitive in the worst division in football, and a wildcard playoff exit, then this move makes sense. So I understand it from the FO's perspective.
But fans want to actually compete. That's why I don't understand the fans supporting the move, outside of just blindly supporting everything the team does, which many here are guilty of.
Our best players are getting old, our head coach has never been a winning HC, our starting QB has never won anything meaningful, after almost a decade in the league. Our cap situation is arguably the worst in the league and instead of biting the bullet and using the time to wipe the slate clean and rebuild the right way, we're still kicking the can down the road like we have a chance to compete with this team.
None of this makes sense.
, then tell me why you like it? Because I think every objective fan, even of this board, knows we have no chance at winning a playoff game, much less a SB with Carr and Allen leading the franchise. Now if your goal is to save Allen's job for another year or two, and remain competitive in the worst division in football, and a wildcard playoff exit, then this move makes sense. So I understand it from the FO's perspective.
But fans want to actually compete. That's why I don't understand the fans supporting the move, outside of just blindly supporting everything the team does, which many here are guilty of.
Our best players are getting old, our head coach has never been a winning HC, our starting QB has never won anything meaningful, after almost a decade in the league. Our cap situation is arguably the worst in the league and instead of biting the bullet and using the time to wipe the slate clean and rebuild the right way, we're still kicking the can down the road like we have a chance to compete with this team.
None of this makes sense.
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:24 pm to RUFshreve
It’s a loser mentality
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:27 pm to High Life
What's a loser mentality? Wanting to win superbowls?
I thought that was the whole point.
I thought that was the whole point.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:31 pm to RUFshreve
It makes total sense if you want to try and be competitive and not have your season ticket base disappear. No fan base is ever ready for a true rebuild that takes 3-4 years and even potentially longer if you miss on a QB in the draft.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:35 pm to RUFshreve
I believe this move was also made for the next coach if Allen is not retained after this season.
No coach wants to come here with no QB in site.
No coach wants to come here with no QB in site.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:44 pm to RUFshreve
Where was the last super bowl winner picked in the draft?
You want the team to not be profitable and move while we pick first every year hoping to hit on a QB? That’s idiotic, like you
You want the team to not be profitable and move while we pick first every year hoping to hit on a QB? That’s idiotic, like you
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:47 pm to RUFshreve
As a fan, at some point you have to realize that even though franchises may tell you the goal is to win Super Bowls, you need to be capable of realizing that the real goal is to win enough games that it consistently sells out games, which in turn leads to more money in the pockets of the people that matter. Winning it all is lagniappe.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:47 pm to Proximo
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not be profitable and move while we pick first every year
Who is asking for this now?
Very few people are pushing for a full tank.
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You want the team to not be profitable and move
What hyperbole
If we use some of that cap to retain our defensive lineman or Marcus Williams and then sign some budget QB we would not be very much worse if worse at all. That's the whole thing is that signing car caps are ceiling in the short and long term, but it doesn't really improve us very much compared to the alternative. That alternative does not mean a tank and that's becoming a straw man argument that's being overused
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:50 pm to Proximo
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You want the team to not be profitable and move while we pick first every year hoping to hit on a QB? That’s idiotic, like you
Also the teams that typically pick high up in the draft order every year are there for a reason. They are terrible.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:23 pm to RUFshreve
So what amazing QB is available that you would have jumped on?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:27 pm to RUFshreve
No I’m saying you’re right.
Getting Carr = loser mentality
Getting Carr = loser mentality
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:56 pm to RUFshreve
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Our best players are getting old, our head coach has never been a winning HC, our starting QB has never won anything meaningful, after almost a decade in the league. Our cap situation is arguably the worst in the league and instead of biting the bullet and using the time to wipe the slate clean and rebuild the right way, we're still kicking the can down the road like we have a chance to compete with this team.
Absolutely none of this is incorrect. Enjoy the hail of downvotes coming your way
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:13 pm to BayouBlitz
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So what amazing QB is available that you would have jumped on? Exactly.
This is another tiresome strawman. As if it has to be a generational Luck/Lawrence prospect or he’s no good. Shall we dig up the Mahomes threads were many on this board were saying how shitty he was and how he’d never be good? You will do that with any prospect we name
The future is not predetermined so can never say with 100% certainty that any QB prospect will be great. You have guys that have potential and it’s up to the GM scouts to find the guy that has talent and work ethic and the coaching staff to develop him and utilize his talents.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:22 pm to RUFshreve
Let's say you go 6-0 in division, then you go 7-4 the rest of the way. You are now 13-4 and the 2 seed. You get a home playoff game against a beatable team. You win, now you get another home playoff game and ur defense plays the way they can play and you win on a last second FG. Now you are in the conference championship. Is that a bad season? You have a defense currently that is probably Top 3-7. Why wouldn't you give yourself a chance at 1 or 2 home playoff games and a chance to get lucky in the Championship? You would rather just tank and hope that in 10 years we might get a good QB?
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:33 pm to RUFshreve
Super loser mentality. Below are the preseason odds to win the Super Bowl last year.
Buffalo Bills +600
Tampa Bay Buccaneers +780
Kansas City Chiefs +1020
Los Angeles Rams +1120
Green Bay Packers +1120
Los Angeles Chargers +1380
San Francisco 49ers +1600
Denver Broncos +1680
Baltimore Ravens +1880
Dallas Cowboys +1960
Cincinnati Bengals +2080
Indianapolis Colts +2240
Philadelphia Eagles +2440
Nobody was expecting Philly to make the Super Bowl.
You need to be good and lucky to win a Super Bowl. But first you need to get in the playoffs. If Rodgers is leaving, we should be a top 5 team in the NFC. Things go our way and we hit on a really good rookie or Carr becomes a heck of a leader with a chip on his shoulder, we can make a run. You know who doesn’t make a run? Teams like the Jets, Texans, Browns, Lions, etc who draft top 5 every year trying to win the QB lottery.
I’ve posted this before.
You can win a Super Bowl with a FA QB, a late round drafted QB or even an UDFA QB. But you need a good team and a good coach.
Buffalo Bills +600
Tampa Bay Buccaneers +780
Kansas City Chiefs +1020
Los Angeles Rams +1120
Green Bay Packers +1120
Los Angeles Chargers +1380
San Francisco 49ers +1600
Denver Broncos +1680
Baltimore Ravens +1880
Dallas Cowboys +1960
Cincinnati Bengals +2080
Indianapolis Colts +2240
Philadelphia Eagles +2440
Nobody was expecting Philly to make the Super Bowl.
You need to be good and lucky to win a Super Bowl. But first you need to get in the playoffs. If Rodgers is leaving, we should be a top 5 team in the NFC. Things go our way and we hit on a really good rookie or Carr becomes a heck of a leader with a chip on his shoulder, we can make a run. You know who doesn’t make a run? Teams like the Jets, Texans, Browns, Lions, etc who draft top 5 every year trying to win the QB lottery.
I’ve posted this before.
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Super Bowl winning QBs not named Tom Brady over the last 20 years are Brad Johnson, Ben Rothlesburger, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford.
Losing QBs in the Super Bowl not previously named during that period have been Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Donavan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman, Kurt Warner, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts.
You can win a Super Bowl with a FA QB, a late round drafted QB or even an UDFA QB. But you need a good team and a good coach.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:37 pm to Dizz
So you don’t think the Bengals fans were excited about their rebuild situation with Joe Burrow when they drafted him? You don’t think they weren’t absolutely gassed up for the last 1-2 months of their 1-15 season when they had a future hall of fame QB from Ohio waiting for them w the first pick?
You think their fanbase would have rather replaced Andy Dalton with Derek Carr because he had more NFL pedigree over a talented rookie?
You think their fanbase would have rather replaced Andy Dalton with Derek Carr because he had more NFL pedigree over a talented rookie?
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:18 pm to H-Town Tiger
So you don’t have an answer?
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:49 pm to 3PieceSpicy
If ur telling me I can get Joe Burrow sure, but that's rarely how it plays out.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:54 pm to Dizz
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It makes total sense if you want to try and be competitive and not have your season ticket base disappear. No fan base is ever ready for a true rebuild that takes 3-4 years and even potentially longer if you miss on a QB in the draft.
Exactly. The other thing is that there is about $170 million in actual cash (not the salary cap but real cash) that is being paid to players other than Carr next season. Many of these players are on contract beyond next year as well. Yes, the salary cap is a real consideration, but teams spend a lot of actual money on players other than the QB. Given the cost associated with the other 52 players plus practice squad players, you want the best option to help them win. Carr was the best option, which also made him the most expensive. I think Carr could be a good quarterback, but I have no idea how successful he will be in New Orleans. I do think he is better than either Dalton or Winston or any of the other QBs that were available. Is that worth $37M - I don’t know. But I’d rather have the best option available on my team, to try to help the other $170M in players win.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:56 pm to RUFshreve
Alright, here we go:
I was never “all for” Derek Carr. He’s a pretty good qb, but I was ready to draft a qb and let Andy do his thing for the season, win or lose.
I am a Saints fan. Regardless of who is coaching, who the qb is, etc. I will always and have always pulled for the Black and Gold.
Now that we have signed Carr, I believe that we can win the division. We still have not seen the entire roster for the upcoming season. We still get to draft a few players. If all goes well, we have a good draft class and we end up balling out, I’ll be ecstatic.
I refuse to be negative about everything the fromt office does, because it does no good what I think.
So….. I think Carr will kill it. I think our defense will be healthy and will be a top 10 defense in the league. I think we will win the South, and I will enjoy every minute of it.
Good luck being negative. Who Dat
I was never “all for” Derek Carr. He’s a pretty good qb, but I was ready to draft a qb and let Andy do his thing for the season, win or lose.
I am a Saints fan. Regardless of who is coaching, who the qb is, etc. I will always and have always pulled for the Black and Gold.
Now that we have signed Carr, I believe that we can win the division. We still have not seen the entire roster for the upcoming season. We still get to draft a few players. If all goes well, we have a good draft class and we end up balling out, I’ll be ecstatic.
I refuse to be negative about everything the fromt office does, because it does no good what I think.
So….. I think Carr will kill it. I think our defense will be healthy and will be a top 10 defense in the league. I think we will win the South, and I will enjoy every minute of it.
Good luck being negative. Who Dat
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