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re: If Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze are still on the board at 14, do you take one of them?
Posted on 3/30/24 at 3:23 pm to Mpd31
Posted on 3/30/24 at 3:23 pm to Mpd31
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You are too focused on need and short term goals for next year.
You do realize our gm is Mickey Loomis and our head coach is DA? They literally operate from salary cap to free agency purposes year to year. If we really wanted to talk whats best for this franchise long term forget Odunze or Bowers they should go after a QB.
Also fundamentally it doesn’t matter what kind of weapons you have when your oline is falling apart. There are certain years I would agree to get the best guy available. This year they don’t have that luxury. Lets be honest- look at the free agents at OT out there- it’s basically training camp bodies. I just don’t buy your theory in one of the most important positions on a football team- the blindside LT- we should just go with a “serviceable” guy. I mean they never did this with Brees yet you think they should do this with Carr?
All im saying is the oline is so bad this year that the Saints dont have luxury of drafting BPA. Especially since they’ve done nothing free agency wise to really help this oline.
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Posted on 3/30/24 at 5:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
Neither of our opinions will have any effect on what Loomis does. If there is a qb available that they like then they should take him. I doubt that is the case. There is still serviceable OTs available in free agency to get you by and you could take one in the 2nd. There is options. It was a different story with Brees bc you knew he could take you to a championship. You had to protect him at all cost. I don’t feel the same with Carr. Let’s just get the best players and let the cards fall where they may. Players getting open and getting the ball out quicker will definitely improve your protection too.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean they never did this with Brees yet you think they should do this with Carr?
Lol. Guess you forgot the years we trotted out Charles freaking brown and an unknown mid rounder in Jermon Bushrod in his 2nd year.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:03 pm to Townedrunkard
Kids
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:36 pm to Townedrunkard
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unknown mid rounder in Jermon Bushrod in his 2nd year.
Bushrod was miles better than Penning even in his second year but keep thinking thats not the case. Charles Brown was an issue but he didn’t last long.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:38 pm to Mpd31
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There is still serviceable OTs available in free agency to get you by
In our price range? Who? You keep saying this but haven’t named any.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:40 pm to Mpd31
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I don’t feel the same with Carr. Let’s just get the best players and let the cards fall where they may.
So you’re basically saying it doesnt matter how much we need to support Carr and whatever happens all good? Yeah highly doubt anybody thinks like this when your drafting. A big part of this draft, whether we like it or not, is to makr Carr succesful. Not oh Carr isn’t all that so lets just draft best player and dont worry about the oline.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:44 pm to goatmilker
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Kids
You’re like the sarcastic child that likes to interrupt adults with comments but have nothing informative to actually say. Let the adults talk while you look up funny gifs online.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:41 pm to FMtTXtiger
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Trade back
I'd love for that to happen but due to the Saints history, the main calls they will get will be about trading up.
Let's hope some other team is playing in over its head and we strike back for once.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
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So you’re basically saying it doesnt matter how much we need to support Carr and whatever happens all good? Yeah highly doubt anybody thinks like this when your drafting. A big part of this draft, whether we like it or not, is to makr Carr succesful. Not oh Carr isn’t all that so lets just draft best player and dont worry about the oline.
So giving him an elite weapon isn’t supporting him? You also act like drafting an OT is a perfect science. We already whiffed once. I am saying get the best player available to help your team.
If you review the tackles in the draft the only true almost can’t miss left tackle is Joe Alt who will likely be gone. Rest of the guys are either projected right tackles (Latham, Fashano), expected to move inside (Fuaga, Fuatana, Barton), or are projects (Mims, Guyton).
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:29 pm to Mpd31
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If you review the tackles in the draft the only true almost can’t miss left tackle is Joe Alt who will likely be gone. Rest of the guys are either projected right tackles (Latham, Fashano), expected to move inside (Fuaga, Fuatana, Barton), or are projects (Mims, Guyton).
This is the deepest group of OTs we’ve seen in a while. I disagree with your assessments on those other guys and most draft analysts do as well. These guys are no where near Penning level projects if thats what scares you.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:35 pm to Pels_Yaz
Those are all based off assessments from draft analysts. However, Fashano is a left tackle. I need to give him more credit.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:44 pm to Mpd31
You want to draft a TE thats a so called cant miss prospect but you’re scared to draft any potential first round OT because they may not pan out. Quick question for you- who was the last big time prospect TE drafted in first round who had a major impact on his team when he got to the NFL?
Posted on 3/31/24 at 12:05 am to Pels_Yaz
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You want to draft a TE thats a so called cant miss prospect but you’re scared to draft any potential first round OT because they may not pan out. Quick question for you- who was the last big time prospect TE drafted in first round who had a major impact on his team when he got to the NFL?
Not scared. I’m fine with drafting a tackle but I don’t think we should go tackle no matter what. I actually like Odunze more than Bowers but both are guys that I would take over a tackle. The answer to your question is probably Hockenson but Bowers is better. Pitts likely flourishes this season with new coaching and Cousins.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 12:41 am to Mpd31
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The answer to your question is probably Hockenson but Bowers is better. Pitts likely flourishes this season with new coaching and Cousins.
TJ had 32 catches his rookie year and did absolutely nothing for at the time a very bad Lions team. He had his best season last year on his second team in his sixth year.
Pitts in his 3 years with the Falcons has a total of 6 TDs. Assuming hes going to flourish in his fourth year because of Cousins is not really a predictive factor you can rely on.
I’m sorry if thats the best you can come up with your wasting your pick if you draft Bowers at 14.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 7:40 am to Pels_Yaz
Ok bro you win. Every tight end is a waste of a pick and they are all destined for failure. OT or bust no matter what. Congrats
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:25 am to Pels_Yaz
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This is the deepest group of OTs we’ve seen in a while.
It's deep with B-level guys.
There are no elite guys, and Alt is the only B+ prospect.
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These guys are no where near Penning level projects if thats what scares you.
They don't have to be near that level to not be worth it.
Most non-S tier OL don't really step up until year 3. That will (hopefully) be Carr's final year. They won't help at all this year, which your needs-based argument is structured around.
Bowers will only not produce in year 1 if our coaches don't want him to.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:26 am to Pels_Yaz
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You want to draft a TE thats a so called cant miss prospect but you’re scared to draft any potential first round OT because they may not pan out.
No.
He's arguing to draft by far the better prospect as opposed to taking a less valuable prospect due to needs.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's arguing to draft by far the better prospect as opposed to taking a less valuable prospect due to needs.
And Im saying the Saints don’t have the luxury of doing that. The team is desperate at certain positions specifically on the oline and dline. And drafting a BPA at TE and WR makes no sense. We have done nothing in free agency. The draft is the only way to improve this team. If the position you need isn’t graded as high then you trade down pick up assets and help your team.
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