I got hammered by a few of you for suggesting that a loss isn't

Who hammered you? Call them out. Be a man and call them out.

About 10 replys in, it turns into loss-gate.

And I'm not here to "call anyone" out. I'm simply suggesting that I'm not wrong. Payton left it up to the players on whether to sit and rest or go for 16-0 and they made the only choice that type A, aggressive, bad arse football players would make, they wanted 16-0. I'm not happy about the loss. I wanted to beat the Brokeback Mountain bitches and shut their fricking mouths. Now that it's over, we need to do some serious planning.

We can't let people get rusty and lose that edge. So we play 1st team O in 1st and 3rd Qtrs, and first team D in 2nd and 4th qtrs. Minus the players who are even a little hurt.


Get healthy, and get ready to play their asses off come Jan 16th or 17th. You want undefeated? How about 3-0 and SB Champs?

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If Minn. would have won out and gotten home field advantage, then the loss would have been a bad thing.

I agree with your other points, tho.

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I guess the context is hard to infer from written word. My true intent was to explain that before this Saturday, the Saints didn't look like a playoff team. They were playing poorly, were beat up and we hanging on by a thread. Now, should we limp into the playoffs undefeated and banged up mentally AND physically, our first "slip up" would put us out of the show. Now at least, we can rest a little, get some people back and get back to playing True Saints football.


It's been since the Pats game that we have truly looked good and before that game it was the Giants on Oct 18th!!! We haven't dominated ANYONE since those games. We have had the softest schedule this season. We should have been whipping bitches asses up to now. Yes, injuries have something to do with those performances, but to some extent, all teams deal with them. The teams we've played have had injuries and key losses as well.


We've scraped by in the last 7 games (minus NE) and we do not look like a SB team right now. We had BETTER get there before the PO's start, or it's back to one and done. I was suggesting that a loss would help us re-focus and get healthy. Now it's time to see if I'm right.

Saints still would have been better off with a Win cause then home field would have been clinched already. In no way is a loss ever better than a win.

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and then you still are gunning for a perfect record also

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So now that we are just gunning for a superbowl... we have so much pressure off our shoulders.

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we may have limped into the playoffs undefeated and gotten knocked out early without a game to get us refocused like this cowgirls game

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An undefeated record or not has no factor on our health going into the playoffs. Coach's aren't pushing any players right now that aren't ready to play.

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without a game to get us refocused like this cowgirls game.

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Their professionals... you don't need a loss to get "refocused". That's such horseshite.

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His points make sense.

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Not quite.

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In no way is a loss ever better than a win.

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In this thread or my other thread, find where I said "A loss is better than a win". I haven't. I don't like losing, period. I want to win every game. But at this point in the season, we are beat up, beat down and tired. We are playing like fricking 5th graders and we look terrible. We look like the Saints from '06. All offense (read: Brees and Colston), no defense and no special teams (roby gets a pass). We will NOT make it more than a game into the PO's if we can't get some guys healthy and MENTALLY HUNGRY as well. Had we won Saturday, they would still be struggling to tread 16-0 water and would drown by the time the playoffs started. This loss is an opportunity, nothing more and nothing less. It's it up to SP and the players to take FULL advantage of it.


Payton has an opportunity here to really and truly COACH this team instead of being a "players coach" who defers to them in 75% of situations. He needs to grab this team by the balls and demand that they get their heads right for the playoff

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Their professionals... you don't need a loss to get "refocused". That's such horseshite.

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BS, it takes that all the time and happens all the time in sports. ahh, so u think they will stay focused on improvements every game when they are winning? BS! how many undefeated seasons have NFL teams had again? and yes, 3 weeks rest could make the difference over 2 weeks rest whether certain players can play in the playoffs. get a fricking clue man.

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So now that we are just gunning for a superbowl... we have so much pressure off our shoulders.

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Yes, there is MUCH less pressure on us now. Jesus man. 16-0 carries weekly pressure to win or else. The SB is attainable even though we might lose 3 in a row. It's not rocket science.

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An undefeated record or not has no factor on our health going into the playoffs. Coach's aren't pushing any players right now that aren't ready to play.

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WRONG!!! If we play hurt and tired just to get to 16-0 it absolutely hurts our chances in the playoffs where one loss is unacceptable. The players are pushing themselves because they are type A personalities. They don't want to be the player who let down the fans or coaches so they play no matter how they feel.

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Their professionals... you don't need a loss to get "refocused". That's such horseshite.

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Spoken like someone who has NEVER played sports. You're a moron if you think that players don't get caught up in routines and week in/week out tunnel vision. If nothing else, this loss proves that we are more than capable of getting beat by bad teams. The last second heroics in recent weeks only hurt us by reinforcing the mentality that no matter how we play for 3 qtrs, we can count on destiny or luck to get us the win. That is NOT good enough for the playoffs.




We know what happens when you take the #1 Offense to the playoffs with no defense behind you. Been there and Done that. We NEED time to rest our injured and these last two games plus the first round bye are the perfect time to do so. When we win the SB because all our players are healthy, hungry and focused, I'll accept your apology.

Conversely, if Payton plays every one to go 15-1, and we dump the first or second round games ala 2006 because the team is out of gas and hurt, you'll eat mountainous bags of shite, deal?

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And that's a casualty of the written word. My point didn't come across as intended, if that's your take. What I meant was that IF we had a choice. I didn't say that 16-0 and the SB are mutually exclusive, but it's damn close. Only 1 team ever had done both. However, every single other SB champion has at least one loss.


Add to that, the fact that we have been playing like total shite AND the fact that we have a lot of people hurt AND the pressure that 16-0 puts on the players and coaches (causing them to play tight and make conservative decisions) means we'd enter the PO's tired, hurt and worried about not losing, instead of healthy, playing loose and focused on winning all 3 games instead of not losing.

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The point you made that didn't make any sense was that we had a choice:

16-0 and a playoff loss

or

15-1 and a superbowl

As if that was the choice we had to make. That didn't make any sense. A loss doesn't help a team along the way to a SB win, and 16-0 doesn't condemn you to lose in the playoffs. That was all I think most people said.

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This season almosts proves my point. First half of the season, before people were talking about undefeated, we beat the shite out of people. The second half, when this undefeated shite got traction in the media, we began playing tight. Starting slow, warming up and having to come from behind in every damned game. True, we started to get the other teams best game b/c we were undef. However, those teams blew arse. We should have beaten every one of them by a shite load. We got into a mentality of "don't lose" instead of "just win" and it has been showing.