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re: I am not particularly ecstatic about how this whole QB situation has played out
Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:34 am to VictoryHill
Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:34 am to VictoryHill
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I prefer Taysom
we know. see previous melt
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But you replied to my post that clearly and plainly stated that we'll know by week 6 that Jameis is still...Jameis
we’ll see but Taysom Hill is not the answer
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 4:35 am
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:52 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
Why are you so sure jameis didnt pull far away from taysom in camp?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 6:08 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
quote:Easy- Sean Payton.
magine it is a random Fall weekend in 2019. Saints are playing the Bucs. You are excited that we are playing Jameis Winston because he is guaranteed to throw at least 2 picks against us. Even more so, you look forward to making fun of his unserious antics and pregame routines.
Fast forward two years later. Jameis Winston finally secured his spot as a starter at the end of pre-season. He barely made it past our Gadget player Taysom Hill for the starting job and you are absolutely ecstatic.
Someone please explain what happened in between these two moments that would require to change your mind so much. I find this absolutely baffling.
Some QBs taken high have been legitimate busts; Jameis Winston was not one of those. He's got the physical tools, he's got the arm and the release. He was just placed in an impossible situation- tossed in as starter and presumed leader as a rookie, in a division dominated by the Saints with Brees, and also with both Atlanta and Carolina fielding impressive teams at times. The only thing guaranteed about the NFC South was that Tampa would be last.
He was still able to have a 5000 yd season, with a coach not known as being an elite offensive guy. You don't see that a lot. Take Brees out of the mix, and that's only been done a couple times.
Winston needed a reset, and it happened early enough in his career to salvage it. If he succeeds here, nobody will remember he started in Tampa, any more than they remember Brees started in San Diego.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 6:09 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:11 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
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I am not particularly ecstatic about how this whole QB situation has played out
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:16 am to VictoryHill
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I prefer Taysom
Yikes
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:17 am to VictoryHill
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I prefer Taysom.
What have your eyes seen from Taysom other than lilly white skin that would make you prefer him?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:36 am to BlacknGold
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What changed?
Titans defense was good too though.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:36 am to rondo
I have never seen a guy like Taysom, who has his wheels, continually take huge sacks. He is trying so hard to not being a running QB, yet being a running QB is the only way he can succeed.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:46 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
I look at this differently. Both Brees and Winston are/were talented QBs who are former pro bowlers who began starting for the Saints at age 27. Winston’s talent is not the question, it’s his maturity. Brees had that in spades, but as Winston ages, I think he will get that.
I like Taysom, but he’s not a starting QB in the NFL. Sorry, he’s a 31 year old athlete who can sling it from time to time.
I’m glad we have an Uber talented QB and aren’t going through a string of Billy-Bobby Joes or a string of rookie QBs we pick trying to replace Brees.
I like Taysom, but he’s not a starting QB in the NFL. Sorry, he’s a 31 year old athlete who can sling it from time to time.
I’m glad we have an Uber talented QB and aren’t going through a string of Billy-Bobby Joes or a string of rookie QBs we pick trying to replace Brees.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:47 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
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A 4 year starter, who was barely winning the job, if at all, after 8 weeks of camp and pre-season has finally pulled away against the 31 year old Mormon tight end.
How do you know this to be the case? With as much as Payton, and the Saints, keep everything close to the vest how do you know Winston is "barely winning the job". If they want to give Taysom a fair shake, they need to let him believe he's still in the running.
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In reality, both QB's have been average through 90% of their reps in camp and in pre-season.
Are you watching the reps in camp? How would you know? Also, how splashy can they be considering what they are working with?
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I just think the dichotomy of Saints fans going from thinking Winston is hilariously bad 2 years ago to now thinking he is the second coming of Christ 2 years later because he barely beat out a tight end in a QB battle at the end of the preseason is just the most baffling thing ever.
It could also be that majority of the fan base sees Winston as the better QB and gives the team the better chance to win consistently; and we are cautiously optimistic. And, as bad as he looked in 2019, he was 4-4 against the Saints between 2015-2018 (only 1 of those wins was by more than 1 score). So, I don't think anyone was "excited" to see him because they thought it would be an easier opponent. Winston led teams always gave the Saints trouble, until his season with Arians, and he showed the ability to stretch the field (hence the excitement) and continue to give us an exciting offense.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:49 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
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I have not seen twitter this happy since Trump lost.
So you are basing your belief on a cesspool of people that started the narrative that the NFL prefers white QBs and it's why most black QBs fall in the draft. This was a huge narrative on twitter, and with the sports desk talking heads, thinking Lance & Fields would drop in the draft just because they were black.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:50 am to saints5021
Taysom either sucks at decision making or doesn't trust his ability to make the throws
Either way he's not a starting qb
Either way he's not a starting qb
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:55 am to rondo
My son is a flag football QB and I use Taysom's preseason games to teach him how important it is to be decisive with the his throws. Taysom just freezes when his read is covered. You either gotta move off that read or tuck in run. You can't double clutch and just stand there.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:11 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
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Taysom Hill now trying to find his way back to the receiver core.
He has some pretty nice abs
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:18 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
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I just think the dichotomy of Saints fans going from thinking Winston is hilariously bad 2 years ago to now thinking he is the second coming of Christ 2 years later because he barely beat out a tight end in a QB battle at the end of the preseason is just the most baffling thing ever.
Anything can be reduced down to a clown show with enough effort.
The truth is Winston played well enough to win us games last night. Jacksonville is NOT good, but 1s V 1s, we win that game. That isn't saying much, but he threw some good balls and he looked accurate and composed. Will he do it in a regular season game when we are 9-3 facing TB in a game crucial to securing the division? I don't know.
I'd hope most of us who have some perspective understand we were just served gourmet food for 15 years. As long as we aren't going to the days of Aaron Brooks and Jim Haslett, I'm just excited to see how this plays out.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:32 am to tibebecolston
Saints threw 522 passes last year, with Winston's preseason stats extrapolated:
380/522 72.8%
5462.5 yd
71/24 td/int
"not ecstatic"
380/522 72.8%
5462.5 yd
71/24 td/int
"not ecstatic"
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:02 am to ChuckRhoadesSr
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Imagine it is a random Fall weekend in 2019. Saints are playing the Bucs. You are excited that we are playing Jameis Winston because he is guaranteed to throw at least 2 picks against us.
That is on Arians. Every QB he's coached threw for a career high interceptions. Brady was headed that way until he shite canned Arians' offense in week 11 and started to run his own offense. All of a sudden, the Bucs turned it around.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:11 am to Scoob
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Easy- Sean Payton.
Sean Payton can elevate the play of an older, undrafted, poor throwing, turnover prone QB in Taysom Hill but the Taysom slobbers swear he can’t do the same for a heisman trophy winner and 1.1 who has all the talent in the world
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:13 am to saints5021
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or tuck in run.
interesting note.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:19 am to GynoSandberg
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Sean Payton can elevate the play of an older, undrafted, poor throwing, turnover prone QB in Taysom Hill but the Taysom slobbers swear he can’t do the same for a heisman trophy winner and 1.1 who has all the talent in the world
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