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re: Hypothetical: if the Saints have the #1 Overall Pick
Posted on 11/2/25 at 6:57 am to PlacerCoTiger
Posted on 11/2/25 at 6:57 am to PlacerCoTiger
quote:Don't draft anything other than a QB at #1. If you think you already have a QB, trade out.
I’d rather draft best available. If that’s a QB and you think you need one, great. If not, don’t force it.
In the last 30 years of NFL drafts, the only non-QB drafted #1 to win a Superbowl was Eric Fisher to the Chiefs, who was an OK tackle for Pat Mahomes. Orlando Pace in 1997 was the last non-QB to play a significant role in making his team great. In contrast, SIX QBs drafted #1 have gotten their teams to Suoerbowls, and that's leaving off players like Andrew Luck and Michael Vick who clearly made their teams vastly better.
Only QB has a positional value worthy of the #1 pick.
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Posted on 11/2/25 at 7:15 am to Handsome Pete
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In the last 30 years of NFL drafts,
In contrast, SIX QBs drafted #1 have gotten their teams to Suoerbowls,
Not great odds there either. Almost as if drafting #1 just means you have a shitty franchise.
Wonder how many different teams have drafted #1 overall in the last 30 years
In the last 30 years, 21 QBs taken first overall. You say 6 made SB (did not verify), that’s a 28.5% hit rate. Conversely, 9 nonQBs taken first. You say 2 played in a SB (also did not verify). That’s 22.2%.
IMO, not that much of a difference there to say “don’t draft a non-QB”
This post was edited on 11/2/25 at 7:21 am
Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:23 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:How much of a role did Eric Fisher play on that Super Bowl team? And how much of a role do you think the 6 QBs played in their SB runs? Orlando Pace is the only non-QB that made a difference in a SB run in the last 30 years.
In the last 30 years, 21 QBs taken first overall. You say 6 made SB (did not verify), that’s a 28.5% hit rate. Conversely, 9 nonQBs taken first. You say 2 played in a SB (also did not verify). That’s 22.2%.
And we can expound on non-Superbowl success - would you rather the success the Browns have had with Myles Garrett, a future HOFer, or the success they had with Baker Mayfield? Garrett is clearly the better player at his position, but one of those two got the Browns a playoff win (and even now the Bucs wouldn't trade Baker for Myles straight up). There's another 6 or so non-SB QBs like Mayfield, Luck, Vick, and Carson Palmer that would be better picks for the Saints than a HOFer like Garrett. And I'm still leaving out debatables like Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, and Caleb Williams.
The positional value of QB is impossible to underestimate.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:10 am to Seeker
Thats a trend only because the nfl had a temporary dam break of high pick qbs that failed and were cut. It's random.
Folks this doesn't happen every year. You are making yourself dependent on if/when some team releases some guy. Is this how yall really want to build a team?
Folks this doesn't happen every year. You are making yourself dependent on if/when some team releases some guy. Is this how yall really want to build a team?
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:35 am to goatmilker
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Thats a trend only because the nfl had a temporary dam break of high pick qbs that failed and were cut.
This population always exists.
Your argument is built on a false assumption.
There will always be bad organizations that start guys too quickly and don't have the infrastructure to develop them, and then there will always be the rehabilitation organizations who will take these young, talented cast offs and try to fix them.
The main difference now is rushing QBs to start and the absolutely incredible QB development that exists in the NFL today (which was pretty bad in the past).
Now, what will cause a snap is the utter dogshit QB talent in the 2022 and 2023 (Stroud is the exception) drafts, ad well as the insane talent in the 2024 draft. The problem is 2026 is looking more like 22-23 than 24.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:39 am to Suntiger
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Suntiger
Well said.
Put the pieces together and continue to cleanup your cap. If you want to go after a big FA QB, you’ve got the pieces together
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:46 am to Handsome Pete
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And I'm still leaving out debatables like Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, and Caleb Williams.
And Couch, Carr, Jamarcus, Bradford, Winston
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The positional value of QB is impossible to underestimate.
It’s also a position that can be overestimated where you find teams drafting a QB just because they have the pick and need a QB. Therefore, they draft what they believe is the best available QB instead of BPA
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:00 am to Weekend Warrior79
I’d prefer ride out another season with Shough and Rattler, maybe add a low cost veteran. This offseason focus on putting some NFL level weapons around the QB, and fix the interior OL. That way, if you end up picking a QB in the 2027 1st round, you’re able to take advantage of their rookie contract and spend more on other positions.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:37 am to Champs
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If you picking 1, you obviously need qb…that’s the pick
Not this year
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:45 am to WicKed WayZ
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Mendoza seems to have the edge and will probably win the Heisman
Go back and watch his game vs. Iowa, the only decent defense he has seen, and see if your opinion changes. If that doesn’t convince you, look at his tape vs. Oregon.
We need somebody that can pick up a first down with their legs also.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 3:35 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Some of what Simpson does feels lucky at times. Sometimes he just panics and throws the ball off his back foot and he completes it bc his WR group is better than the secondary they are playing against.
We watching the same guy? I don’t see much of that at all.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:48 pm to WicKed WayZ
Admittedly haven't watched him as much as Mendoza. I've seen Mendoza play like 15 games over the past 3 years. I used to watch him play late night slot games at Cal.
I've only seen Simpson play 2-3 games. I'll watch him pretty intently against LSU. I'm also slightly worried that he's another one of those guys who is listed at 6 ft 2, who is actually 6ft tall and the NFL game is hard for you at that size unless you are Brees. You have to guess, bc you can't see much.
I've only seen Simpson play 2-3 games. I'll watch him pretty intently against LSU. I'm also slightly worried that he's another one of those guys who is listed at 6 ft 2, who is actually 6ft tall and the NFL game is hard for you at that size unless you are Brees. You have to guess, bc you can't see much.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:56 pm to goatmilker
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No one in or outside the org has called Tyler a “franchise QB”. Poor analogy.
The what the frick are you doing drafting one at #40?
You wasting a prime pick to be a backup qb?
Said it so many times, there were way to many holes on this team to waste on qb last year.
This post was edited on 11/2/25 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:33 pm to WicKed WayZ
If we're picking 1st, that means we're garbage now - under the tutelage of Loomis. If he fricks that up, it means we're staying garbage under the tutelage of Loomis. 2009 was a long time ago. This game has passed him by as a GM and passed Gayle by as an owner.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is 2026 is looking more like 22-23 than 24.
This isn’t close to being true if you’re actually paying attention to what scouts are saying. Sure, maybe Moore and Simpson could get even better with another year and first year starters are certainly scary and you want a guy with more starts…
But idk how you watch Mendoza, Moore and Simpson and think it’s anywhere close to 2022-2023. Those guys look like way better prospects than Kenny Pickett and Anthony Richardson.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:21 am to Suntiger
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Nobody is going to want to trade up and give us extra picks
This is a two-edged sword. If somebody sees a guy that they think is a can't miss prospect, then why not at least get one player you love for picks that you don't know that there's a guy you'll want
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