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St Jean The Baptiste
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Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
Admittedly, I don’t know much about his story.

I don’t believe he ever saw the field in a regular season game with the Saints.

We took him in the third round, and a lot of folks here were super excited about the pick, and a lot of folks were clamoring for him to play against JAX in Week 16 of 2015, a game that I attended in person, and I know Drew played that entire game.

I’m assuming he didn’t play well in the 2016 preseason, as he was assigned to the practice squad for the rest of the season. He was waived before the 2017 season started.

Did Sean waive Grayson to early, or was the move more than justified?



geauxtigers87
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Because he sucked


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lsutigers1992
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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Grayson played in a pro style offense. He can play under center. He can go in a three, five or seven-step drop. He can come in and help you,” Kiper said. “He has enough mobility. Losing bothers him. He is a tremendous competitor. I think Grayson’s a second-rounder.


“Draft Expert” Mel Kiper
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SammyTiger
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
Mediocre arm

Mediocre everything else

Like the one positive about him was that he could throw with anticipation.

Shitty pick.


Vacherie Saint
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
He couldn’t outshine Chase Daniel


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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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Grayson played in a pro style offense. He can play under center. He can go in a three, five or seven-step drop. He can come in and help you,” Kiper said. “He has enough mobility. Losing bothers him. He is a tremendous competitor. I think Grayson’s a second-rounder.


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“Draft Expert” Mel Kiper



MEL KIPER GAVE US THE 2ND LOWEST GRADE!!!!!

-Saints Talk


lsutigers1992
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
That was just a bad year to draft a tier 2 QB. Toer 2 was Grayson, Brett Huntley, Sean Mannion and Bryce Petty.

And tier 1 was Winston and Mariota. Woof.

Especially Huntley and Petty were awesome in college. And those guys were awful in the pros.

Payton should have waited. At that point they were probably like “hey—the 3rd best QB is still on the board in round 3. Why not?” These days the 3rd best QB won’t get past pick 10.


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Lester Earl
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
Zero processing skills


WicKed WayZ
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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Losing bothers him. He is a tremendous competitor.



That was incredibly false information. It’s what burned him. He had some tools but ultimately he wasn’t very cerebral (this has been mentioned by the beat writers who have talked to coaches), couldn’t learn the playbook, was slow picking things up and didn’t really care to after he was challenged by Brees, Payton and the others. He kind of checked out and just wasn’t as much of a competitor as they were led to believe. He wasn’t like Taysom, Brees, Teddy and Jameis, waking up early as shit, studying and wanting to get better. Just wasn’t in his blood and at that level, that kind of work and study and preparedness goes a long way with Sean. In fact, it’s almost necessary if you want to be successful with him. Being fricking smart helps too. Brees was very cerebral. So is Jameis despite what people think.


I think CSP could ultimately make a QB that isn’t that smart work but if you’re not putting in 12-15 hour days every single day with him then you’re likely not going to be successful. Takes a special amount of dedication and Grayson just didn’t have it. He was dedicated im sure and tried, but to compete at the highest level requires even more, especially when you’re not Pat Mahomes level gifted, which guys like Brees, Grayson, etc. were not.


WicKed WayZ
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Zero processing skills



This played a part too. Jameis mentioned earlier how the biggest thing he learned from Brees was processing what the defense gave you and making the best decision in that moment. Playing QB with Payton isn't about making the best throws. It’s about quickly and efficiently processing defenses and adjusting your decision on where to go with the ball.

That’s why a lot of QBs fail. They’re caught up in the throw and not the decision behind why they’re making that throw and whether or not they should. Again, that takes an incredible amount of brain power AND preparedness


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Just wasn’t in his blood and at that level, that kind of work and study and preparedness goes a long way with Sean. In fact, it’s almost necessary if you want to be successful with him.


This is pretty much any where in today’s nfl. If you don’t put in the time to study and prepare then you are not going to make it. Makes sense that Sean cut bait with him so quickly. The study and preparation work ethic is not easy to judge coming out of college.

He also turned down a contract a couple years ago and retired instead. Probably didn’t really want to play anymore after college and was just trying to cash in a few pay checks.


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phutureisyic
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
Dude had the weirdest throwing motion.


Mpd31
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Dude had the weirdest throwing motion.


Had to go back and check this bc I didn’t remember. Dude had a legit Tebow motion.


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PillPusher
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?


The same reason Ian Book won’t be. He’s just not good enough. Another waste of a pick.


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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?


When Bubba Watson shows up at training camp one day and beats you in an accuracy competition, your career is over.

It was between Brees, McCown, Grayson and Watson.

I have a post on the MSB listing every expected starting QB entering the 2021 season.

Other than Washington, who has struck out on several 1st round QB selections the last decade, there are only 3 QBs who were not selected in the 1st or 2nd around who start: Russell Wilson (3rd), Kirk Cousins (4th) and Dak Prescott (4th).

The chances of drafting your future in the 3rd day of the draft is very slim.
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3PieceSpicy
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
Man. Makes you wonder why they couldn’t pick up on that in an interview or conversations with coaches. Makes you wonder if something happened in his personal life or if money changed him. I know he didn’t get paid much, but going from zero to probably making over a million while he was in the league to be nothing but a backup might change some people.


chRxis
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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The same reason Ian Book won’t be. He’s just not good enough. Another waste of a pick.

since you are throwing out prognostications, what's this weeks Powerball numbers? I have some bills I'd like to pay...


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geauxpurple
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
We drafted him to be a Drew Brees clone. He had one thing in common with Drew Brees. He was short. I think they are imagining the same thing in this guy from Notre Dame.


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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
He kept looking at his feet.


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WicKed WayZ
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re: Garrett Grayson: Why wasn’t he successful?
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Man. Makes you wonder why they couldn’t pick up on that in an interview or conversations with coaches. Makes you wonder if something happened in his personal life or if money changed him.


I think a lot of it stems from issues Payton and the old scouting department had with evaluation. They didn't value the work ethic, the preparedness, whether or not the guys actually loved football, their general level of intelligence and whether or not they're competitive. If they're competitive, they hate losing and if they hate losing, they'll work hard to make sure it doesn't happen, pushing themselves as players. All of those things are incredibly difficult to peg down for every single team. Even the Saints aren't perfect. You could argue Davenport doesn't really love football.

But they're a lot better at it than other teams. Payton really really values intelligence and so does Ireland. Just look and watch all the players we have drafted since 2016. Outside of Lattimore and CGJ, all of those guys are extremely well-spoken and very, very intelligent. Not that those guys aren't smart, they're just smarter in different ways.

And in the case of Lattimore and CGJ, you could argue they play a position where gritty and toughness, and athleticism account for way more than intelligence. And you also have two guys that love to compete and love football. So with Grayson, we weren't looking for the right things, probably looking only at the physical nature and the pro style system he was running (which wasn't actual pro style, just a bastardized version under McElwain).



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