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re: For the last time, it WASN'T the freaking Turnovers!
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:26 pm to Wolfpack331
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:26 pm to Wolfpack331
quote:That was a legit hit. There is no such thing as helmet to helmet fouls on rb's. That was just an awesome, tone setting play by the 49ers. The kind that the Saints D rarely made this season.
The problem was the ref missing the helmet to helmet hit on Pierre Thomas.
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:27 pm to Hulkklogan
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I disagree; IDK if it would have changed the game but that was clearly helmet to helmet.
once you turn into a runner it is free game.
had they determined he was defenseless, it more than likely would have been an incomplete pass.
do you think it was an incomplete pass?
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:31 pm to Lester Earl
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once you turn into a runner it is free game.
false; helmet to helmet is when the defender leads with his helmet and hits the other player with his helmet. That hit could have easily could have caused a concussions (and from what I read broke PT's jaw)
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had they determined he was defenseless, it more than likely would have been an incomplete pass.
do you think it was an incomplete pass?
Helmet to helmet =/= incomplete pass. He clearly caught the ball and had possession; I will not argue that. But the defender lead with his helmet and smacked PT with the crown of his helmet into PT's helmet. Blatant helmet to helmet.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:36 pm to Hulkklogan
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false; helmet to helmet is when the defender leads with his helmet and hits the other player with his helmet. That hit could have easily could have caused a concussions (and from what I read broke PT's jaw)
No, its not false. You don't know what the hell you are talking about
are you watching the NE/DEN game? Did you just see Stevan Ridley get lit up helmet to helmet after the catch and fumble the ball, with no flag?
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Helmet to helmet =/= incomplete pass. He clearly caught the ball and had possession; I will not argue that. But the defender lead with his helmet and smacked PT with the crown of his helmet into PT's helmet. Blatant helmet to helmet.
if the runner makes a football move, he then becomes a runner and is free game
if he hasn't made a football move, and the ball is dislodged, its not a catch. And if it is helmet to helmet, it is a penalty.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:38 pm to Lester Earl
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No, its not false. You don't know what the hell you are talking about
Well then I think the rule should be changed. That hit was a dangerous one. That could have caused brain trauma. The only thing I think the NFL rules should be concerned with is really head hits. Helmet to helmet.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:41 pm to Hulkklogan
It was just that he had him lined up perfectly. Pierre had a chance to defend himself, but went forward valiantly
these are the rules on helmet to helmet
doesnt apply
doesnt apply
nope
no
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no
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no
these are the rules on helmet to helmet
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A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
doesnt apply
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2- A WR attempting to catch a pass or completed a catch AND has not had time to protect himseld OR has not clearly become a runner
doesnt apply
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A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped.
nope
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A kickoff/punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air.
no
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A player on the ground at the end of the play.
no
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a kicker/punter during the kick or during the return
no
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A quarterback at any time after a change of possession
no
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A player who rec's a blindside block when blocker is moving twoard his own endline and approaches opponent from behind or side.
no
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:42 pm to cdaniel76
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For the last time, it WASN'T the freaking Turnovers!We overcame those
What if we hadn't had to overcome them. We win by two touchdowns?
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:43 pm to Lester Earl
Notice I didn't dispute again; I haven't seen another replay. All I recall is that helmet made contact to helmet and that, imo, for better or for worse, is something that needs to be penalized. I agree that the defender had a perfect lineup, but he led with his helmet.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:44 pm to Lester Earl
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You don't know what the hell you are talking about
obviously you don't...
From the NFL Rule Book:
" using any part of a players helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures."
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:44 pm to Hulkklogan
what if the runner puts his head down? then what?
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:45 pm to cdaniel76
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to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures.
key words, you dolt
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:46 pm to Lester Earl
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what if the runner puts his head down? then what?
Then lead with your shoulder.
Again, to reiterate, IDK if that would have changed the outcome of the game, but I think that should be a penatly.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:46 pm to Lester Earl
Read the entire rule!
illegal on ANY player but officials will pay special attention to defenseless players...
illegal on ANY player but officials will pay special attention to defenseless players...
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:46 pm to lsu bum
quote:I just read the explanation of a helmet to helmet hit on nfl.com and you are right and you are also wrong. The definition states that it is Illegal to hit a defenseless player including running backs but when a player takes 2 steps forward looking forward he is no longer a defenseless player and in Pierre's case he lowered his head therefore making it a legal hit.
Guys helmet to helmet hit is not a penalty on running backs, get over it.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:48 pm to Hulkklogan
I should be a penalty anytime there is helmet to helmet contact but that's not how the rule states.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:48 pm to cdaniel76
Turnovers buried us but we dug out of that. We took the lead twice and our loser defense failed miserably both times. The game was won, all they had to do was stop a fricking retard at QB and they let him move the ball easily down the field for the score.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:48 pm to cdaniel76
virtually defenseless postures =/= a runner in action of running with the ball
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:50 pm to Wolfpack331
quote:so there are instances where it's legal to spear someone with your helmet?
I just read the explanation of a helmet to helmet hit on nfl.com and you are right and you are also wrong. The definition states that it is Illegal to hit a defenseless player including running backs but when a player takes 2 steps forward looking forward he is no longer a defenseless player and in Pierre's case he lowered his head therefore making it a legal hit.
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:51 pm to LsuSaintsMan
It was the turnovers.. along with the bad defense. But Turnovers did play a big part in the pathetic showing.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:53 pm to cdaniel76
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Read the entire rule!
illegal on ANY player but officials will pay special attention to defenseless players...
i read the rule, its not a penalty. whatever your pea brain wants to think
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