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re: Fleener To Saints, 5 year deal, $36 million
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:49 pm to Broken Ear Glen
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:49 pm to Broken Ear Glen
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f fitting your narrative. Such as behind hall of fame TE Antonio gates. Albeit not in his prime but still productive and a great rapport with rivers.
You just fit "your narrative" you imbecile
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:50 pm to JustinT37
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Thanks, I am trying to understand more on these contracts and the salary cap. Anytime you throw knowledge my way it is greatly appreciated. Stuff can be pretty confusing.
Thrillho, tigerbait, htran, and blues are great with that stuff.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:52 pm to Broken Ear Glen
And Fleener wasn't in a time share? And did he not have 3 or 4 qbs last year?
Yet he was still consistent the last 3 years.
Yet he was still consistent the last 3 years.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:07 pm to bonethug0108
Ah, so now Dwayne Allen = Antonio Gates. Got it. The oft injured Dwayne Allen might I add....jesus
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:07 pm to goatmilker
Facts. They're hard to comprehend for some I guess.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:08 pm to CajunsTigersSaints
Hmm. Just saw this. I like it, but it also seems a little expensive to me. I could be wrong though.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:09 pm to Peazey
There's the Super Bowl bonus and then there's the Loomis Bonus.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:09 pm to THRILLHO
Why did his yards and TDs drop so dramatically in one year?
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:09 pm to bonethug0108
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Yes let's give the guy with 77 career catches $20 mil.
No kidding. Have an upvote.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter 13m13 minutes ago
LB Danny Trevathan’s deal with Bears totals $24.5M over four years and includes $12M guaranteed.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:14 pm to Lester Earl
Much smaller than I thought.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter 13m13 minutes ago
LB Danny Trevathan’s deal with Bears totals $24.5M over four years and includes $12M guaranteed.
Don't know if we were ever in the running, but this would have been a much better buy. Crazy to think Trevathan and Green could have been had for only a few mil more than just Fleener, and about the same gtd money.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:29 pm to LSUZombie
Here are some interesting Walterfootball grades::
For quick and easy comparison, here are some other deals that could have helped:
Texans sign G Jeff Allen (4 years, $28 million): B+ Grade
Rams re-sign DE William Hayes (3 years, $17.5M; $10M guaranteed): B+ Grade
Vikings sign G Alex Boone (4 years, $26.8M; $10M guaranteed): A Grade
Falcons sign DE Derrick Shelby (4 years, $18 million): B Grade
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Steelers sign TE Ladarius Green (5 years, $20 million): A- Grade
The Steelers usually don't make much of a splash in free agency, but when they sign someone, it's usually a quality move. That's definitely the case here, as the front office found a new play-maker for Ben Roethlisberger.
Green is very talented, but never got much of a chance in San Diego because he was playing behind Antonio Gates. He'll be a starter now, as the Steelers needed someone to replace the retired Heath Miller. Even better, this is a great bargain, especially when considering that other tight ends were paid more, despite the fact that Green was the top player at his position in free agency. It's laughable that Green is set to earn $20 million over four years, while Coby Fleener is getting $36 million over five seasons. This is a great transaction by Pittsburgh.
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Saints sign TE Coby Fleener (5 years, $36 million): KIELBASA SLIPS THROUGH THE FINGERS MILLEN Grade
I wonder how it feels to be a Colts fan right now. On one hand, they must be very depressed that they still have the incompetent Ryan Grigson running things. On the other hand, they have to be cracking up upon seeing the numbers Coby Fleener received from the Saints.
This signing is horrible. Aside from perhaps Vernon Davis, no tight end drops more passes than Coby Fleener. I'm sure he'll post some great numbers with Drew Brees throwing the ball to him, but he'll absolutely kill his new team with some untimely drops. Then again, maybe he won't be a fantasy monster, given that he couldn't produce with Andrew Luck, even when Dwayne Allen was out of the lineup with his injury issues.
This is an easy Millen. I don't understand what the Saints saw in him to make them believe that he's worth more than $7 million per year. Fleener, an average starter at best, would've been overpaid had he gotten half as much.
For quick and easy comparison, here are some other deals that could have helped:
Texans sign G Jeff Allen (4 years, $28 million): B+ Grade
Rams re-sign DE William Hayes (3 years, $17.5M; $10M guaranteed): B+ Grade
Vikings sign G Alex Boone (4 years, $26.8M; $10M guaranteed): A Grade
Falcons sign DE Derrick Shelby (4 years, $18 million): B Grade
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:34 pm to bbrownso
Would love to go back and read some of Walterfootballs grades from other years of free agency and see what they got wrong and right.
This deal being a horrible failure is laughable but oh well, we'll see next season.
This deal being a horrible failure is laughable but oh well, we'll see next season.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:35 pm to PurpleDrank18
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Don't know if we were ever in the running, but this would have been a much better buy. Crazy to think Trevathan and Green could have been had for only a few mil more than just Fleener, and about the same gtd money.
All of this.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:36 pm to bbrownso
In essence it is a 2 yr 14.7M deal with 3 $6.3M team options with bonuses. 2016 and '17 only years with fully guaranteed money.
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The tight end received an $8 million signing bonus with $18 million in total guarantees, according to a source. The deal breaks down as follows: 2016: $800,000 base salary (fully guaranteed), $1.6 million prorated signing bonus 2017: $5.8 million base salary (fully guaranteed); $1.6 million prorated signing bonus; $100,000 workout bonus 2018: $6.3 million base salary*; $1.6 million prorated signing bonus; $1000,000 workout bonus *$3.4 million of base salary is guaranteed for injury, it becomes guaranteed for skill and cap if he is on the roster on the third day of the waiver period 2019: $6.3 million base salary; $1.6 million prorated signing bonus; $100,000 workout bonus; $500,000 roster bonus on fifth day of league year; $31,250 bonus for each game on 46-man roster 2020: $6.4 million base salary; $1.6 million prorated signing bonus; $100,000 workout bonus; $500,000 roster bonus on fifth day of league year; $31,250 bonus for each game on 46-man roster
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:37 pm to bbrownso
I think the drops are overblown. We kind of lived with that with Jimmy as well.
I just don't like the amount we paid. It's a classic Loomis contract. Too much potential dead money.
I think he'll be good for us, but for the love, can we get another GM?
I just don't like the amount we paid. It's a classic Loomis contract. Too much potential dead money.
I think he'll be good for us, but for the love, can we get another GM?
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:38 pm to bbrownso
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On the other hand, they have to be cracking up upon seeing the numbers Coby Fleener received from the Saints.
Them and 30 others as well
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:40 pm to bbrownso
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KIELBASA SLIPS THROUGH THE FINGERS MILLEN Grade
I laughed
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