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First year in awhile Saints haven't set themselves up to go BPA
Posted on 4/27/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/27/22 at 9:45 am
For a long time the Saints have always signed someone...even bargain veterans, at virtually every position of need, addressed it in some way, so they could justify going BPA in the draft.
They clearly haven't done that this year. They have not addressed WR, OT in any appreciable way, and still have needs at positions like Safety that were at least partially addressed.
Do we think this is a change in philosophy? Or do they just feel like there will be a lot of FAs available after the draft they can still fill holes with?
They clearly haven't done that this year. They have not addressed WR, OT in any appreciable way, and still have needs at positions like Safety that were at least partially addressed.
Do we think this is a change in philosophy? Or do they just feel like there will be a lot of FAs available after the draft they can still fill holes with?
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
Well, BPA got us Ruiz and Turner, so I am OK altering that strategy a bit.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 9:51 am to Fun Bunch
They will still pick the top player on their board it’s just how they operate which is the right way.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 9:52 am to Fun Bunch
The new philosophy is that they play the comp pick game now. There are still a ton of veteran players on the market, which if signed after the draft will not count towards the comp pick formula.
In addition the draft philosophy may also be to let the draft play out, get the best players on your board, and then fill the needs with veteran players after the draft...which is the approach that more truly lends to drafting BPA
In addition the draft philosophy may also be to let the draft play out, get the best players on your board, and then fill the needs with veteran players after the draft...which is the approach that more truly lends to drafting BPA
Posted on 4/27/22 at 10:51 am to Fun Bunch
they signed a safety and two QBs at positions of need. I don't think it was a change in strategy as much as the difference between serviceable LT and WR pre draft is virtually the same as post draft. They weren't in the big money free agent market this year. So why not wait see how the draft falls out and then fill after. You can still go best player available and sign WR help after. LT I think they are okay with the stop gaps they have on the roster if they can't snag one in draft.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:14 am to Fun Bunch
There’s been 200+ 1 year deals from the free agency pool. I believe the saints are going to let the draft unfold before them then make the best picks they can with what is available. This will likely be a combination of best player available and filling positions of need. The free agents will be there post draft if the saints want/need them. Why rush it and potentially tip your hand especially if you have similar values on the players remaining?
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
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Saints GM Mickey Loomis acknowledged that the team hasn't completed as many items from the offseason to-do list as it normally does before the draft -- and said the cap situation is a part of that.
My read: Could still sign a vet or two after draft if they don't fill the "musts"
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:24 am to Fun Bunch
NFL football scouting is very hit or Miss. it’s not an exact science at all. Therefore, I do not support a BPA strategy.
Like another poster said, BPA got us Cesar Ruiz.
Like another poster said, BPA got us Cesar Ruiz.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:26 am to Stevo1856
FYI, the way we talk about BPA and the way the Saints actually draft BPA is totally different. We look at rankings and see that the #10 ranked guy is sitting there at #16 and think he is the BPA.
In reality, the Saints have a tiered bubble of players that they consider equivalent to each other. In 2017, that bubble included Mahomes and Lattimore. When the time comes for the pick, they are factoring in roster makeup, need, and projection of the player more than a straight 1-10 ranking.
So, this year, they may have a bubble of available players at #16 that include Jamerson Williams, Chris Olave, Trevor Penning, Jordan Davis and Kyle Hamilton, but "reach" and take Penning, based on positional importance. Mickey Loomis has talked about their bubble approach before and it seems that the lineman always win out when their is a grouping of players ranked similarly.
On another note, they will often take a player from that grouping that they don't think they can get a comparable player later in the draft. So if they only have 4 OTs ranked in their top 40, but 8 WRs, they will take the OT.
In reality, the Saints have a tiered bubble of players that they consider equivalent to each other. In 2017, that bubble included Mahomes and Lattimore. When the time comes for the pick, they are factoring in roster makeup, need, and projection of the player more than a straight 1-10 ranking.
So, this year, they may have a bubble of available players at #16 that include Jamerson Williams, Chris Olave, Trevor Penning, Jordan Davis and Kyle Hamilton, but "reach" and take Penning, based on positional importance. Mickey Loomis has talked about their bubble approach before and it seems that the lineman always win out when their is a grouping of players ranked similarly.
On another note, they will often take a player from that grouping that they don't think they can get a comparable player later in the draft. So if they only have 4 OTs ranked in their top 40, but 8 WRs, they will take the OT.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:28 am to Fun Bunch
Here's a troubling thought. What if they think those areas have been addressed?
WR immediately get better with MT coming back.
OT: What if the plan is to slide Ram to LT, and have Hurst/Young as RT
S: Between Maye & PJW, maybe they think it's addressed.
I 100% agree with you that they have not been addressed, but how many times do the fans perspective and the coach's perspective been completely misaligned.
Also would not be surprised to hear they have offers in place with players like Mathieu & Landry, but both want to keep working the market to see if they can get a better deal. And Saints are content that they can either address the positions in the draft and/or improve the offer after the draft
WR immediately get better with MT coming back.
OT: What if the plan is to slide Ram to LT, and have Hurst/Young as RT
S: Between Maye & PJW, maybe they think it's addressed.
I 100% agree with you that they have not been addressed, but how many times do the fans perspective and the coach's perspective been completely misaligned.
Also would not be surprised to hear they have offers in place with players like Mathieu & Landry, but both want to keep working the market to see if they can get a better deal. And Saints are content that they can either address the positions in the draft and/or improve the offer after the draft
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:30 am to cbree88
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NFL football scouting is very hit or Miss. it’s not an exact science at all. Therefore, I do not support a BPA strategy.
You really suck on every board, its unreal
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:32 am to Fun Bunch
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They have not addressed WR, OT in any appreciable way, and still have needs at positions like Safety that were at least partially addressed.
Is it possible they have shadow agreements in place that they will execute after they get their compensatory pick?
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:24 pm to Fun Bunch
I don’t ever feel like it is truly BPA
It’s BPA with position need and general positional scarcity in mind. It will be the same this year
It’s BPA with position need and general positional scarcity in mind. It will be the same this year
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:31 pm to Lester Earl
IMO, Deuce was best player available, as we had absolutely no need for him at the time.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:43 pm to saints5021
That was a long time ago
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:23 pm to saints5021
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IMO, Deuce was best player available, as we had absolutely no need for him at the time.
You can certainly argue there wasn't a need but you can also argue the front office new ricky was a mental basket case and could have been prepping for the future without Ricky.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 5:44 pm to Fun Bunch
A recent article pointed out that ML looks for the BPA that fits the saints needs, not necessarily the BPA. I think they are right where they want to be. They can stay put & get a WR/OT or have enough to move up for a standout from their board slips a bit.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:02 am to LSUPilot07
Saints have won more games than most organizations in the last 5 years, and had won the most over 2017-2019 because they take BPA and fill other needs adequately in FA/later rounds/UDFA.
Ruiz (so far) has been a big miss, but it was a need at the time for a guy that was supposed to go earlier
Ruiz (so far) has been a big miss, but it was a need at the time for a guy that was supposed to go earlier
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