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Final PFF scores (Ranked from 1-59)
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:45 pm
The score next to "Last Week" is the cumulative score after Week 17. The last score listed is the cumulative score after Week 18.
I have all scores 67.0 & above in bold
6 Inactives
-QB Ian Book
-RB Mark Ingram
-WR Kenny Stills
-LT Terron Armstead
-CB Bradley Roby
-DB P.J. Williams
54 Gameday Roster Max
-Taysom Hill - Last Week 73.0 - 74.8 (18/39 QB)
-Trevor Siemian - Last Week 65.1 - 64.4 (28/39 QB)
-Ian Book - 54.1
-Alvin Kamara - Last Week 60.4 - 62.8 (52/61 RB)
-Mark Ingram - 66.2 (39/61 RB)
-Tony Jones Jr. - Last Week 64.8 - 64.0
-Ty Mongtomery - Last Week 54.0 - 51.4 (128/133 WR)
-Dwayne Washington - 64.1
-Adam Prentice - Last Week 62.6 - 68.6
-Marquez Callaway - Last Week 71.1 - 69.6 (56/133 WR)
-Deonte Harris - Last Week 86.7 - 87.8 (4/133 WR)
-Tre'Quan Smith - Last Week 59.3 - 62.7 (95/133 WR)
-Lil'Jordan Humphrey - Last Week 70.1 - 71.1
-Kenny Stills - 54.7 (121/133 WR)
-Adam Trautman - Last Week 61.1 - 62.7 (40/75 TE)
-Nick Vannett - Last Week 56.5 - 58.8
-Juwan Johnson - Last Week 66.4 - 66.9
-James Hurst - Last Week 68.8 - 69.8 (43/85 OT)
-Calvin Throckmorton - Last Week 42.6 - 43.4 (82/84 OG)
-Erik McCoy - Last Week 63.6 - 64.2 (21/38 OC)
-Cesar Ruiz - Last Week 56.9 - 57.9 (57/84 OG)
-Ryan Ramczyk - Last Week 82.6 - 84.7 (7/85 OT)
-Jordan Mills - Last Week 49.5 - 47.9
-Will Clapp - 50.7
-James Carpenter - 64.4
-Terron Armstead - 76.6 (26/85 OT)
-Brett Maher - Last Week 50.7 - 48.0
-Blake Gillikin - Last Week 64.4 - 64.9 (10/33 P)
-Zach Wood - N/A
-David Onyemata - Last Week 83.6 - 82.4 (7/127 DI)
-Shy Tuttle - Last Week 73.9 - 72.9 (20/127 DI)
-Christian Ringo - Last Week 66.1 - 65.6 (37/127 DI)
-Malcolm Roach - Last Week 44.9 - 49.5
-Cam Jordan - Last Week 83.2 - 83.7 (10/113 ED)
-Marcus Davenport - Last Week 89.6 - 89.3 (5/113 ED)
-Carl Granderson - Last Week 62.8 - 63.1 (69/113 ED)
-Jalyn Holmes - Last Week 60.3 - 58.8
-Demario Davis - Last Week 74.4 - 76.3 (8/88 LB)
-Kwon Alexander - Last Week 49.4 - 52.7 (46/88 LB)
-Pete Werner - Last Week 80.3 - 79.6 (5/88 LB)
-Kaden Elliss - 70.7
-Zack Baun - 43.2
-Andrew Dowell - 56.9
-Marshon Lattimore - Last Week 76.8 - 77.3 (12/120 CB)
-Paulson Adebo - Last Week 59.4 - 60.3 (79/120 CB)
-Bradley Roby - 64.6 (56/120 CB)
-Ken Crawley - Last Week 43.8 - 35.6
-Keivarae Russell - N/A
-Marcus Williams - Last Week 82.6 - 80.1 (8/94 S)
-Malcolm Jenkins - Last Week 62.1 - 64.5 (46/94 S)
-CGJ - Last Week 60.8 - 62.2 (68/120 CB)
-PJ Williams - 70.0 (32/94 S)
-J.T. Gray - 68.0
-Jeff Heath - 57.1
COVID List(4)
-QB Blake Bortles - N/A
-OT Caleb Benenoch - 57.3
-DT Albert Huggins - 46.5
-CB Jordan Miller - N/A
Injured Reserve(10)
-DE Payton Turner - 64.6
-DE Tanoh Kpassagnon - 68.6
-TE Garrett Griffin - 50.5
-QB Jameis Winston - 74.2 (19/39 QB) *Done for the year*
-OT Landon Young - 46.3 *Done for the year*
-OG Andrus Peat - 54.5 *Done for the year*
-PK Wil Lutz - N/A *Done for the year*
-OT Ethan Greenidge - N/A *Done for the year*
-DT Jalen Dalton - N/A *Done for the year*
-TE Dylan Soehner - N/A *Done for the year*
PUP/Reserve(1)
-WR Michael Thomas - N/A *Done for the year*
Practice Squad(13)
-WR Kevin White - 55.6
-WR Easop Winston - 55.8
-WR Kawaan Baker - N/A
-TE Ethan Wolf - 55.3
-OC Cohl Cabrel - N/A
-OG Forrest Lamp - N/A
-OT Jerald Hawkins - N/A
-DT Ethan Westbrooks - 65.0
-DT Braxton Hoyett - 45.6
-LB Chase Hansen - 60.5
-LB Sharif Finch - 66.6
-CB Dylan Mabin - N/A
-S Bryce Thompson - N/A
I have all scores 67.0 & above in bold
6 Inactives
-QB Ian Book
-RB Mark Ingram
-WR Kenny Stills
-LT Terron Armstead
-CB Bradley Roby
-DB P.J. Williams
54 Gameday Roster Max
-Taysom Hill - Last Week 73.0 - 74.8 (18/39 QB)
-Trevor Siemian - Last Week 65.1 - 64.4 (28/39 QB)
-Ian Book - 54.1
-Alvin Kamara - Last Week 60.4 - 62.8 (52/61 RB)
-Mark Ingram - 66.2 (39/61 RB)
-Tony Jones Jr. - Last Week 64.8 - 64.0
-Ty Mongtomery - Last Week 54.0 - 51.4 (128/133 WR)
-Dwayne Washington - 64.1
-Adam Prentice - Last Week 62.6 - 68.6
-Marquez Callaway - Last Week 71.1 - 69.6 (56/133 WR)
-Deonte Harris - Last Week 86.7 - 87.8 (4/133 WR)
-Tre'Quan Smith - Last Week 59.3 - 62.7 (95/133 WR)
-Lil'Jordan Humphrey - Last Week 70.1 - 71.1
-Kenny Stills - 54.7 (121/133 WR)
-Adam Trautman - Last Week 61.1 - 62.7 (40/75 TE)
-Nick Vannett - Last Week 56.5 - 58.8
-Juwan Johnson - Last Week 66.4 - 66.9
-James Hurst - Last Week 68.8 - 69.8 (43/85 OT)
-Calvin Throckmorton - Last Week 42.6 - 43.4 (82/84 OG)
-Erik McCoy - Last Week 63.6 - 64.2 (21/38 OC)
-Cesar Ruiz - Last Week 56.9 - 57.9 (57/84 OG)
-Ryan Ramczyk - Last Week 82.6 - 84.7 (7/85 OT)
-Jordan Mills - Last Week 49.5 - 47.9
-Will Clapp - 50.7
-James Carpenter - 64.4
-Terron Armstead - 76.6 (26/85 OT)
-Brett Maher - Last Week 50.7 - 48.0
-Blake Gillikin - Last Week 64.4 - 64.9 (10/33 P)
-Zach Wood - N/A
-David Onyemata - Last Week 83.6 - 82.4 (7/127 DI)
-Shy Tuttle - Last Week 73.9 - 72.9 (20/127 DI)
-Christian Ringo - Last Week 66.1 - 65.6 (37/127 DI)
-Malcolm Roach - Last Week 44.9 - 49.5
-Cam Jordan - Last Week 83.2 - 83.7 (10/113 ED)
-Marcus Davenport - Last Week 89.6 - 89.3 (5/113 ED)
-Carl Granderson - Last Week 62.8 - 63.1 (69/113 ED)
-Jalyn Holmes - Last Week 60.3 - 58.8
-Demario Davis - Last Week 74.4 - 76.3 (8/88 LB)
-Kwon Alexander - Last Week 49.4 - 52.7 (46/88 LB)
-Pete Werner - Last Week 80.3 - 79.6 (5/88 LB)
-Kaden Elliss - 70.7
-Zack Baun - 43.2
-Andrew Dowell - 56.9
-Marshon Lattimore - Last Week 76.8 - 77.3 (12/120 CB)
-Paulson Adebo - Last Week 59.4 - 60.3 (79/120 CB)
-Bradley Roby - 64.6 (56/120 CB)
-Ken Crawley - Last Week 43.8 - 35.6
-Keivarae Russell - N/A
-Marcus Williams - Last Week 82.6 - 80.1 (8/94 S)
-Malcolm Jenkins - Last Week 62.1 - 64.5 (46/94 S)
-CGJ - Last Week 60.8 - 62.2 (68/120 CB)
-PJ Williams - 70.0 (32/94 S)
-J.T. Gray - 68.0
-Jeff Heath - 57.1
COVID List(4)
-QB Blake Bortles - N/A
-OT Caleb Benenoch - 57.3
-DT Albert Huggins - 46.5
-CB Jordan Miller - N/A
Injured Reserve(10)
-DE Payton Turner - 64.6
-DE Tanoh Kpassagnon - 68.6
-TE Garrett Griffin - 50.5
-QB Jameis Winston - 74.2 (19/39 QB) *Done for the year*
-OT Landon Young - 46.3 *Done for the year*
-OG Andrus Peat - 54.5 *Done for the year*
-PK Wil Lutz - N/A *Done for the year*
-OT Ethan Greenidge - N/A *Done for the year*
-DT Jalen Dalton - N/A *Done for the year*
-TE Dylan Soehner - N/A *Done for the year*
PUP/Reserve(1)
-WR Michael Thomas - N/A *Done for the year*
Practice Squad(13)
-WR Kevin White - 55.6
-WR Easop Winston - 55.8
-WR Kawaan Baker - N/A
-TE Ethan Wolf - 55.3
-OC Cohl Cabrel - N/A
-OG Forrest Lamp - N/A
-OT Jerald Hawkins - N/A
-DT Ethan Westbrooks - 65.0
-DT Braxton Hoyett - 45.6
-LB Chase Hansen - 60.5
-LB Sharif Finch - 66.6
-CB Dylan Mabin - N/A
-S Bryce Thompson - N/A
5
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:45 pm to GMoney2600
01 - DE Marcus Davenport - 89.3 (5/113 ED) Developed into our best defensive player in 2021. Just needs to stay healthy
02 - WR Deonte Harris - 87.8 (4/133 WR) Finally broke out as a legit offensive weapon
03 - RT Ryan Ramczyk - 84.7 (7/85 OT) Another great year at RT
04 - DE Cam Jordan - 83.7 (10/113 ED) Had a bounceback year this year
05 - DT David Onyemata - 82.4 (7/127 DI) Another great year
06 - FS Marcus Williams - 80.1 (8/94 S) His coverage is elite imo. We need him back in 2022
07 - LB Pete Werner - 79.6 (5/88 LB) Looks like a future Pro Bowler
08 - CB Marshon Lattimore - 77.3 (12/120 CB) Had a legit year for a #1 CB. He earned his paycheck this year
09 - LT Terron Armstead - 76.6 (26/85 OT) Can we get fair value for him or is he gone?
10 - LB Demario Davis - 76.3 (8/88 LB) Still has it. Leader of the defense again in 2022
11 - QB Taysom Hill - 74.8 (18/39 QB) He's earned my trust as a backup QB
12 - QB Jameis Winston - 74.2 (19/39 QB) I'd like him back unless we get somehow get better
13 - DT Shy Tuttle - 72.9 (20/127 DI) He answered the call of replacing Malcom Brown, & did it with flying colors. Lucky to have him
14 - Lil'Jordan Humphrey - 71.1 Looked impressive at the end of the year. Maybe a jump in production for 2022?
15 - LB Kaden Elliss - 70.7 Legit against the run
16 - S P.J. Williams - 70.0 (32/94 S) Damn good when playing his Safety Hybrid role. Playing in the slot lowered his score a lot
17 - OT James Hurst - 69.8 (43/85 OT) We need him so bad. Great value contract
18 - WR Marquez Callaway - 69.6 (56/133 WR) Solid #3 WR imo
19t - FB Adam Prentice - 68.6 Seems like an average FB. Not too bad
19t - DE Tanoh Kpassagnon - 68.6 Great value contract. Damn good depth
21 - FS J.T. Gray - 68.0 Elite on ST
22 - TE Juwan Johnson - 66.9 Great year in the passing game. Looks like an ascending player
23 - RB Mark Ingram - 66.2 (39/61 RB) Still productive with good blocking. He'll be back in 2022
24 - DT Christian Ringo - 65.6 (37/127 DI) Earned a chance to make the 2022 roster. He was great as our #3 DT at the end of the year
25 - P Blake Gillikin - 64.9 (10/33 P) Great 1st year as starter. Exceeded my expectations
26t - DE Payton Turner - 64.6 We'll find out a lot more in 2022. I have a good feeling
26t - CB Bradley Roby - 64.6 (56/120 CB) Probably gone due to his contract
28 - SS Malcolm Jenkins - 64.5 (46/94 S) Hasn't lost it yet. We should be able to get another legit year out of him
29t - QB Trevor Siemian - 64.4 (28/39 QB)I think he's great value for league minimum as the #3/#4 QB. I'd take him back
29t - OT James Carpenter - 64.4
31 - OC Erik McCoy - 64.2 (21/38 OC) Looked back to his normal self at the end of the year. Bounceback year in 2022
32 - RB Dwayne Washington - 64.1
33 - RB Tony Jones Jr. - 64.0 Still have faith in him for 2022
34 - DE Carl Granderson - 63.1 (69/113 ED) I'd re-sign him. Should be around league minimum
35 - RB Alvin Kamara - 62.8 (52/61 RB) He basically was our offense
36t - WR Tre'Quan Smith - 62.7 (95/133 WR) I'd actually sign him to a cheap deal
36t - TE Adam Trautman - 62.7 (40/75 TE) Looked much better after coming back from IR
38 - DB CGJ - 62.2 (68/120 CB) Played great during the last 3-4 games
39 - CB Paulson Adebo - 60.3 (79/120 CB) Improved during the last 3-4 games. He's probably the #2 in 2022
40t - TE Nick Vannett - 58.8 Looked good to me
40t - DE Jalyn Holmes - 58.8 I'd bring him back for training camp
42 - RG Cesar Ruiz - 57.9 (57/84 OG) Needs to improve in 2022 or he'll be officially labeled a bust
43 - S Jeff Heath - 57.1
44 - LB Andrew Dowell - 56.9 Looked solid on ST
45 - WR Kenny Stills - 54.7 (121/133 WR) Career might be done
46 - LG Andrus Peat - 54.5 Consistantly meh
47 - QB Ian Book - 54.1 Gets 2 more years to develop
48 - LB Kwon Alexander - 52.7 (46/88 LB) I'd like him back, but for good value
49 - RB Ty Mongtomery - 51.4 (128/133 WR) Solid RB, WR, & ST player for league minimum
50 - OC Will Clapp - 50.7 PS quality
51 - TE Garrett Griffin - 50.5 PS quality
52 - DT Malcolm Roach - 49.5
53 - K Brett Maher - 48.0 He was good enough. Solid find actually
54 - RT Jordan Mills - 47.9
55 - DT Albert Huggins - 46.5
56 - OT Landon Young - 46.3 Still needs another year or 2 to develop
57 - LG Calvin Throckmorton - 43.4 (82/84 OG) Might stick around as a backup
58 - LB Zack Baun - 43.2 Not ready for LB yet. Great ST player though
59 - CB Ken Crawley - 35.6
02 - WR Deonte Harris - 87.8 (4/133 WR) Finally broke out as a legit offensive weapon
03 - RT Ryan Ramczyk - 84.7 (7/85 OT) Another great year at RT
04 - DE Cam Jordan - 83.7 (10/113 ED) Had a bounceback year this year
05 - DT David Onyemata - 82.4 (7/127 DI) Another great year
06 - FS Marcus Williams - 80.1 (8/94 S) His coverage is elite imo. We need him back in 2022
07 - LB Pete Werner - 79.6 (5/88 LB) Looks like a future Pro Bowler
08 - CB Marshon Lattimore - 77.3 (12/120 CB) Had a legit year for a #1 CB. He earned his paycheck this year
09 - LT Terron Armstead - 76.6 (26/85 OT) Can we get fair value for him or is he gone?
10 - LB Demario Davis - 76.3 (8/88 LB) Still has it. Leader of the defense again in 2022
11 - QB Taysom Hill - 74.8 (18/39 QB) He's earned my trust as a backup QB
12 - QB Jameis Winston - 74.2 (19/39 QB) I'd like him back unless we get somehow get better
13 - DT Shy Tuttle - 72.9 (20/127 DI) He answered the call of replacing Malcom Brown, & did it with flying colors. Lucky to have him
14 - Lil'Jordan Humphrey - 71.1 Looked impressive at the end of the year. Maybe a jump in production for 2022?
15 - LB Kaden Elliss - 70.7 Legit against the run
16 - S P.J. Williams - 70.0 (32/94 S) Damn good when playing his Safety Hybrid role. Playing in the slot lowered his score a lot
17 - OT James Hurst - 69.8 (43/85 OT) We need him so bad. Great value contract
18 - WR Marquez Callaway - 69.6 (56/133 WR) Solid #3 WR imo
19t - FB Adam Prentice - 68.6 Seems like an average FB. Not too bad
19t - DE Tanoh Kpassagnon - 68.6 Great value contract. Damn good depth
21 - FS J.T. Gray - 68.0 Elite on ST
22 - TE Juwan Johnson - 66.9 Great year in the passing game. Looks like an ascending player
23 - RB Mark Ingram - 66.2 (39/61 RB) Still productive with good blocking. He'll be back in 2022
24 - DT Christian Ringo - 65.6 (37/127 DI) Earned a chance to make the 2022 roster. He was great as our #3 DT at the end of the year
25 - P Blake Gillikin - 64.9 (10/33 P) Great 1st year as starter. Exceeded my expectations
26t - DE Payton Turner - 64.6 We'll find out a lot more in 2022. I have a good feeling
26t - CB Bradley Roby - 64.6 (56/120 CB) Probably gone due to his contract
28 - SS Malcolm Jenkins - 64.5 (46/94 S) Hasn't lost it yet. We should be able to get another legit year out of him
29t - QB Trevor Siemian - 64.4 (28/39 QB)I think he's great value for league minimum as the #3/#4 QB. I'd take him back
29t - OT James Carpenter - 64.4
31 - OC Erik McCoy - 64.2 (21/38 OC) Looked back to his normal self at the end of the year. Bounceback year in 2022
32 - RB Dwayne Washington - 64.1
33 - RB Tony Jones Jr. - 64.0 Still have faith in him for 2022
34 - DE Carl Granderson - 63.1 (69/113 ED) I'd re-sign him. Should be around league minimum
35 - RB Alvin Kamara - 62.8 (52/61 RB) He basically was our offense
36t - WR Tre'Quan Smith - 62.7 (95/133 WR) I'd actually sign him to a cheap deal
36t - TE Adam Trautman - 62.7 (40/75 TE) Looked much better after coming back from IR
38 - DB CGJ - 62.2 (68/120 CB) Played great during the last 3-4 games
39 - CB Paulson Adebo - 60.3 (79/120 CB) Improved during the last 3-4 games. He's probably the #2 in 2022
40t - TE Nick Vannett - 58.8 Looked good to me
40t - DE Jalyn Holmes - 58.8 I'd bring him back for training camp
42 - RG Cesar Ruiz - 57.9 (57/84 OG) Needs to improve in 2022 or he'll be officially labeled a bust
43 - S Jeff Heath - 57.1
44 - LB Andrew Dowell - 56.9 Looked solid on ST
45 - WR Kenny Stills - 54.7 (121/133 WR) Career might be done
46 - LG Andrus Peat - 54.5 Consistantly meh
47 - QB Ian Book - 54.1 Gets 2 more years to develop
48 - LB Kwon Alexander - 52.7 (46/88 LB) I'd like him back, but for good value
49 - RB Ty Mongtomery - 51.4 (128/133 WR) Solid RB, WR, & ST player for league minimum
50 - OC Will Clapp - 50.7 PS quality
51 - TE Garrett Griffin - 50.5 PS quality
52 - DT Malcolm Roach - 49.5
53 - K Brett Maher - 48.0 He was good enough. Solid find actually
54 - RT Jordan Mills - 47.9
55 - DT Albert Huggins - 46.5
56 - OT Landon Young - 46.3 Still needs another year or 2 to develop
57 - LG Calvin Throckmorton - 43.4 (82/84 OG) Might stick around as a backup
58 - LB Zack Baun - 43.2 Not ready for LB yet. Great ST player though
59 - CB Ken Crawley - 35.6
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:35 pm to GMoney2600
Based on pff, the organization has done an excellent job of building a roster. Not that you should just take their word for it. The clear needs I see are OL/WR/LB based on contracts and production.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:57 pm to GMoney2600
Biggest misses to me are the Peat/Ruiz first round guard combo and the Roby trade
Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:35 am to TigahJay
I know a lot was on Kamara’s plate this year, but he had too many zero or negative yardage carries. He has to get better at putting his head down and getting 2-3 yards. I feel like he dances at the line looking for holes to develop too often and he also slow plays his sweeps too often.
It stands out when you compare him to a back like Joe Mixon, who has patience when necessary, but also will hit the hell out of a slither of a hole instead of waiting around for a bigger one. I compare him to Joe Mixon, bc Cincy’s o line is a disaster and he still figures out a way to make something out of nothing on nearly every play.
The only game I saw AK approach with this mentality was the last game against Atlanta.
It stands out when you compare him to a back like Joe Mixon, who has patience when necessary, but also will hit the hell out of a slither of a hole instead of waiting around for a bigger one. I compare him to Joe Mixon, bc Cincy’s o line is a disaster and he still figures out a way to make something out of nothing on nearly every play.
The only game I saw AK approach with this mentality was the last game against Atlanta.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 12:37 am
Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:23 am to Jesterea
quote:
Based on pff, the organization has done an excellent job of building a roster.
They really have. We're right on course & right where we need to be. Just need to trust that CSP & Loomis will make the right decisions on getting under the cap.
quote:
The clear needs I see are OL/WR/LB based on contracts and production.
WR & OL are the 2 things that need to be addressed on our offense. Need a legit #2 next to Mike Thomas...to go along with Callaway & Harris. I'd like to upgrade the TE position, but we might be ok here if we fix the WR position.
Ramczyk, McCoy, & Hurst can be counted on imo. Peat is going to be here in 2022, so hopefully he has a good year. Ruiz has to earn that starting RG spot as well. We REALLY need to add some legit competition to the OG position imo.
Still not sure about Armstead...
Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:31 am to GMoney2600
I don’t know if its identification of guys, development or scheme, but the Saints do a great job of bringing in productive defensive linemen to rotate in every year. Guys like Tuttle, etc.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 3:30 am to 3PieceSpicy
The line was absolute shite this year.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 8:06 am to TigahJay
I wouldn’t call the Roby trade a miss. Nobody had any idea Adebo would be good enough this soon to play. Roby would have been great as our number 2. That situation was a win win. We added depth that did help at times and we hit a home run on a later draft pick
Posted on 1/17/22 at 10:03 am to GMoney2600
The oline and WR group are such obvious needs. Besides Hurst there is no one I'm confident in either short term or long term along the oline. And the WR group needs a major infusion of talent. I like our depth at almost all the other positions except perhaps TE which is the easiest to fill in FA.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 10:11 am to GMoney2600
quote:
-Deonte Harris - Last Week 86.7 - 87.8 (4/133 WR)
Posted on 1/17/22 at 12:49 pm to GMoney2600
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This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:33 pm to Chalkywhite84
It was not worse than Cincy’s and Kamara’s PFF grade is not an accident, when grading backs they take into account the blocking. Kamara did not have a good season running the football. I watched 17 games of Cincy with a terrible o line and Mixon was far superior at making something out of nothing.
I like Kamara. We all do, but what’s the point if we can’t be honest about things here? We can’t just pick and choose the PFF grades to trust. They are all graded under the same condition. Did they do their assignment? Did they read their blocks? Did they get every yard an average back should get in a similar situation? Kamara did not this year and as a result we were looking at 3rd and 9 all year instead of 3rd and 4.
I like Kamara. We all do, but what’s the point if we can’t be honest about things here? We can’t just pick and choose the PFF grades to trust. They are all graded under the same condition. Did they do their assignment? Did they read their blocks? Did they get every yard an average back should get in a similar situation? Kamara did not this year and as a result we were looking at 3rd and 9 all year instead of 3rd and 4.
This post was edited on 1/17/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/17/22 at 3:32 pm to GMoney2600
Nice job, GM. This season was all about injuries, but none loomed so large as the absence of Armstead and Ramczyk on the offensive line. With that said, I hope the Saints are able to resign Armstead to a friendly deal emphasizing incentives for staying on the field; however, I still expect another OT (who can also play guard) drafted within the first two rounds. And, if there was ever a year to draft a WR in the first round, this is the one. A difference maker can be found at number 18, even if the top four wideouts are already off the board.
Pete Werner turned into a wonderful draft pick, and Kaden Ellis proved to be solid as a back up, especially against the run. Adebo will only get better, and you are correct about PJ Williams is a much better player within the hybrid role.
Nick Vannett was much more athletic than I expected, and it's a shame he was hurt most of the season. Troutman seemed to regress a bit, but he did look better just before his injury and afterward. Juwan Johnson and Lil Jordan Humphrey both took steps forward, especially as big targets over the middle, and they needed more action in the red zone. Playing Kenny Stills - no matter the role sought - was a mistake. Vaya con Dios.
Overall, the depth was better than I expected following the offseason purge to escape CAP hell. Kudos to Loomis et al for putting together a competitive squad that not many teams would have wanted to face in the postseason - especially Tampa Bay. Too many injuries and COVID protocol absences affected the uncertainty of the QB position in addition to the OL woes. And, never depend on the Rams and Matthew Stafford for help making the playoffs.
Pete Werner turned into a wonderful draft pick, and Kaden Ellis proved to be solid as a back up, especially against the run. Adebo will only get better, and you are correct about PJ Williams is a much better player within the hybrid role.
Nick Vannett was much more athletic than I expected, and it's a shame he was hurt most of the season. Troutman seemed to regress a bit, but he did look better just before his injury and afterward. Juwan Johnson and Lil Jordan Humphrey both took steps forward, especially as big targets over the middle, and they needed more action in the red zone. Playing Kenny Stills - no matter the role sought - was a mistake. Vaya con Dios.
Overall, the depth was better than I expected following the offseason purge to escape CAP hell. Kudos to Loomis et al for putting together a competitive squad that not many teams would have wanted to face in the postseason - especially Tampa Bay. Too many injuries and COVID protocol absences affected the uncertainty of the QB position in addition to the OL woes. And, never depend on the Rams and Matthew Stafford for help making the playoffs.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 3:49 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Joe Mixon is a solid all-round running back; however, he was playing against defenses that had to account for three better receivers and a better tight end than anything the Saints put on the field last season, as well as a quarterback in Joe Burrow, who can create reception opportunities in tight windows as well as make any throw on the field. What might Alvin Kamara have done at running back in that offense, rather than being THE player keyed upon every single play by the entire defense?
The Saints were 9-4 with Kamara and 0-4 without him.
The Saints were 9-4 with Kamara and 0-4 without him.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 4:56 pm to GMoney2600
Thanks GM for the work in assembling this information.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 5:28 pm to goatmilker
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Besides Hurst there is no one I'm confident in either short term or long term along the oline
Umm theres a guy named Ryan Ramczyk. I’ve heard he may be “Okay” at RT but well have to wait until he makes his 4th All-Pro team to decide I suppose huh??
Posted on 1/17/22 at 5:57 pm to Qbert Jones
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QB Trevor Siemian - 64.4 (28/39 QB
I guess by that math Siemian is a starting caliber QB.
QB room was stacked, not sure how we missed the playoffs
Posted on 1/17/22 at 6:31 pm to GynoSandberg
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 7:34 pm to GynoSandberg
For a third string QB, we were lucky to have Trevor Siemian. He played well in the first Tampa Bay win and last game against Atlanta. Had our offensive line been healthy, we may have won more games with him under center in the games he started.
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