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re: Falcons trade S Jessie Bates to Jags for a 2nd & 5th
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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The fact you put Banks 4 and Tyson 5 proves Les's point.
Banks has potential, sure, but is nowhere close to an elite player. Tyson is a rookie who has been injured and hasn't shown anything on the field yet.
Just look at that top 10. Then look at the top 10 for really good teams. Night and day.
Bruh, we are building. That is part of the building process. You have Youth that you are wanting and coaching in an upward trajectory. LE is bitching that our talent is on a downward trajectory. Can't have both.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Granderson is a really good player and HE is the one you offload for a late first if you are going to do it. Third in the league in sacks and good against the run.
You can't pay both of them $40 million, use Grando all of this season and then move him closer to the draft since he is under contract next season
You can't pay both of them $40 million, use Grando all of this season and then move him closer to the draft since he is under contract next season
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:24 am to IBeenYeetin
Maybe Reid could find a new home.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:32 am to Chad504boy
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Can't have both.
this board would rather tank every season for eternity and stockpile picks than actually compete though
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:34 am to Proximo
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You can't pay both of them $40 million
Do you even Loomising Bro?
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:43 am to Chad504boy
I mean who would you have said was elite on the Patriots before they got Vrabel? The Jags before they got Cohen? The bears before they got Johnson? The bengals heading into the 2021 season? The Lions heading into 2023?
It’s always obvious in hindsight but coaching, a few young players making a leap at key positions, and one elite draft class/nails FA period can make a huge difference in the NFL.
And those were all teams that became title contenders. Most of us just want to fight for a back end playoff spot to start, which is a much lower bar.
It’s always obvious in hindsight but coaching, a few young players making a leap at key positions, and one elite draft class/nails FA period can make a huge difference in the NFL.
And those were all teams that became title contenders. Most of us just want to fight for a back end playoff spot to start, which is a much lower bar.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:02 pm to tigerfan88
That's right, and with our two pillars--Tyler and Chase--we can turn it around in 1-2 seasons especially having cap room
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:14 pm to Chad504boy
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LE is bitching that our talent is on a downward trajectory
Chad the question isn’t if they are “building”, they obviously are. It is how they are building, and does Young truly fit into that window.
With all the recent empty drafts, they have clearly been on a downward trajectory. As a fan you see all the good in that top 10 list, but most of those players do not belong on the top end of a good roster.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:35 pm to Lester Earl
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and does Young truly fit into that window.
I’m slightly on the fence on big young extension but this is the dilemma we hoped for. I want big compensation or else extension is no brainer
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:35 pm to Lester Earl
Again the big mistakes were made from 2021-2023. Not the past 2-3 years. Calling the past three drafts “empty” is disingenuous.
2026 has not lit the world on fire but is still very early. Tyson looked good in preseason and Sunday, it all comes down to health. Delp and Wright were both depth/long-term development picks and are still on track. Biggest potential bust is Miller, hard to say as he isn’t even being given PT.
We got four starters and two rotational pieces in the 2025 draft, including franchise LT and QB.
2024 highlights the issue. Decent overall return from picks we had, but mistakes were made way earlier by trading away our third and fourth rounders. We didn’t have a third or fourth round pick but still got a starting o-lineman (inconsistent but starting caliber), starting CB (Kool-aid isn’t a lock down one but definitely starter caliber) and even got Boyd in the fifth round who is a decent rotational DT.
2026 has not lit the world on fire but is still very early. Tyson looked good in preseason and Sunday, it all comes down to health. Delp and Wright were both depth/long-term development picks and are still on track. Biggest potential bust is Miller, hard to say as he isn’t even being given PT.
We got four starters and two rotational pieces in the 2025 draft, including franchise LT and QB.
2024 highlights the issue. Decent overall return from picks we had, but mistakes were made way earlier by trading away our third and fourth rounders. We didn’t have a third or fourth round pick but still got a starting o-lineman (inconsistent but starting caliber), starting CB (Kool-aid isn’t a lock down one but definitely starter caliber) and even got Boyd in the fifth round who is a decent rotational DT.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:42 pm to saints5021
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Falcons is having to pay Penix.
I'm pretty sure the Falcons are going to take another swing at a QB in the first round. If not this draft, then next
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:15 pm to jrobic4
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:21 pm to GynoSandberg
do it oconnell
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:41 pm to Chad504boy
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LE is bitching that our talent is on a downward trajectory.
No he's not. This is what he said
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Yes, cause having a $45mil / year end on a 6 loss team that is years away from a competitive roster makes a ton of sense!
The saints are trying (questionably)to rebuild but won’t pay the rebuild tax. This roster is so bad, it’s multiple good drafts away from competitiveness.
Is the roster bad? Yes
Are we years away from being title contenders because of the roster? Yes
Are we multiple good drafts away from being able to have a title-contending roster? Yes
Again, look at your top 10. It's very gross compared to a title-contending team.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:45 pm to Proximo
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this board would rather tank every season for eternity and stockpile picks than actually compete though
This isn't an accurate representation of that argument.
We will never build another title contender until we commit to a build (at this point there is no "re" involved)
Doing this half in, half out stuff and thinking we have an OK roster is just going to inhibit that building process.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No he's not. This is what he said
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bro. there are countless things on this planet that you are not needed for and regurgitating things someones says as an informative post when things said are written in plain black and white for all to see is certainly very high on the fricking list.
He also said in another post
quote:this was a comment as i was reading things he was saying was also in part what i was responding to.
They’ve wasted two years and have regressed
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Is the roster bad? Yes
Are we years away from being title contenders because of the roster? Yes
Are we multiple good drafts away from being able to have a title-contending roster? Yes
Again, look at your top 10. It's very gross compared to a title-contending team.
bro, i'm sort of done with you showing up 3 times a year as mr. smarty pants miss. negativity dick riding lester like you are a knowledgable and fair saints poster. I don't have the energy any longer for you.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:39 pm to Chad504boy
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i'm sort of done with you showing up 3 times a year
wut
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negativity dick riding
We've made many mistakes the past 6 years. My criticism over that time has been shown to be correct.
It seems your biggest issue is admitting that I was right. About almost everything.
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I don't have the energy any longer for you.
You have been cheering on the path of failure for those 6 years. I refuse to cheer on the path of failure. You can keep celebrating failure or hope that we actually work to make the team a title contender again.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we commit to a build (at this point there is no "re" involved) Doing this half in, half out stuff and thinking we have an OK roster is just going to inhibit that building process.
The process was accelerated the moment we found Tyler Shough
That opportunity doesn't come back again. You build now aggressively with the core pieces we do have
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:51 pm to Proximo
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The process was accelerated the moment we found Tyler Shough
what do you do when it goes backwards instead of accelerates?
I don’t understand what world you are living in. This is such a fan (see: fanatic) take
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:53 pm to Proximo
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The process was accelerated the moment we found Tyler Shough
As has been pointed out, we've wasted 2 years of his rookie deal (and he wasn't a 1st rounder), so that sentiment is over after this year, basically.
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You build now aggressively with the core pieces we do have
Unless our OL and secondary have been playing possum to get Moore fired and there is a magical coach we can get who will make them really good really quickly, all you're doing is setting us up to prohibit title contention while we have Shough.
We'll be back into that "possible playoff via winning the worst division in the NFL" status while being far away from title contention.
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