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re: Falcons trade S Jessie Bates to Jags for a 2nd & 5th

Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:36 pm to
Players lose value as they get closer to their free agency. Football 101, Loomis lover.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:40 pm to
Loomis Lover

Now performing at the Twilight Lounge with Dixie Lulubelle on vocals.

Yeah
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:40 pm to
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You need someone to anchor the defense. You need someone to actually build off of.


They are not close to being competitive. The roster sucks and they’ve drafted so poorly, there aren’t even young promising players that would normally fill the top portion of even a league-average roster.

Pay the damn rebuilding tax and rebuild. You can’t magically jump steps and then all of a sudden be competitive.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:52 pm to
That's it!
Holy shite the rebuild tax. Pay it and be competitive. Pay the fricking rebuild tax. If Benson doesn't make Loomis pay the rebuild tax what are we to do? What if the next GM doesn't pay the rebuild tax either. We have a tax deficit and then where are we. Its what other teams have been doing why aren't we paying this simple tax to get better. Fester has lit the fire of football knowledge and it's been right there. The Rebuild Tax.
fricking Fester bringing truth to the masses.
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:55 pm to
You don’t tank your way to success in the NFL. This idea that conflates is with the NBA and doing what the Thunder or Spurs did is just nonsense.

We absolutely made a bunch of mistakes trying to chase being contenders from 2021-23. We traded away way too many draft picks, we accumulated way too much dead cap. But we haven’t done those things in the past couple years. We have a very clean cap coming up starting next off season, we have all of our picks.

Trading away your in his prime top 10 DE with a year and a half left on his deal doesn’t erase the sins of the past.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:59 pm to
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You don’t tank your way to success in the NFL.


No one is calling it a tank. Regardless, they are bad enough to not actually have to actively tank.

The only way the roster improves organically is through the draft. Not holding assets (injury prone one, at that) for 4 years in hopes that they may be good when Shough’s 2nd contract starts. They’ve already wasted so much time with bad drafts & coaching hires.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:02 pm to
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league average roster


If the Saints roster is truly as deficient as you say, you must be a big Shough guy considering he’s 8-9 as the Saints starter.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:08 pm to
Dude you're going down the wrong road.
Just pay the rebuild tax.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:11 pm to
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Shough guy considering he’s 8-9 as the Saints starter.


I like Shough

Do you want to show the combined record of the teams he has beaten, or do you want me to?

Again I don’t think he is a big contributor to the losses. The roster is just really really bad.

Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:15 pm to
If someone comes along with a godfather offer for Young I don’t think anyone is saying don’t consider it. But there’s no need to be actively shopping him.

Look at the Browns and Titans with Garrett and Simmons. Raiders with Crosby (before Ravens welched on the deal). All offered in exchange for multiple first round picks at age 29. You can sign Young in the offseason to an extension and the trade offers will still be there for a couple of years.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:15 pm to
44-66 btw
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:15 pm to
Ok, we agree he’s elevating the roster.
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:16 pm to
14-11-1 this year though (and would be much higher if Lamar hadn’t gotten hurt. Would be closer to 16-9-1). Making progress!
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:45 pm to
What can you take from beating the ravens but also being 3-5? Having to go to OT to beat the brown’s backup QB at home is kind of embarrassing. There is no pattern of development or winning to hang your hat on. I don’t think they are relatively close to that either. Not trying to be a downer. Write out what you think are top 10 players on the roster. It’s said
Posted by Doctor B
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:47 pm to
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The biggest thing that will frick the Falcons is having to pay Penix

What obligation do they have to pay Penix? They can draft another guy or sign a FA if they decide to.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:51 pm to
ATL blowing it up? They are in a weird spot. I feel like they’d be legit with the right QB.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:52 pm to
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Pay the damn rebuilding tax and rebuild. You can’t magically jump steps and then all of a sudden be competitive.

I think madden GM mode might more your speed. This is an actual football team

We have zero cap issues going forward and can quickly turn this around since we found a franchise QB on a rookie deal
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:57 pm to
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We have zero cap issues going forward and can quickly turn this around


See:

I think madden GM mode might more your speed. This is an actual football team


Cap room is great when you have great players that you need to re-sign to 2nd deals. Member when the Saints had this issue year after year? Member what good rosters looked like?

What a crazy, delusional post and thing to say to me. Like I am working in a simulation & nor you
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:59 pm to
Together maybe we can get them to pay the rebuild tax. Then we are moving forwards.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
9811 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 2:12 pm to
I mean if Jordyn Tyson and Kelvin Banks are healthy and we have a real kicker there’s a good chance we’re 6-2.

Lions game real kicker can make a 60 yarder indoors. Also quite literally came down to a two yard play.

Raiders game was in hand until Banks’ replacement collapsed leading to a bunch of fourth quarter sacks and TOs.

Steelers we honestly outplayed and insert a much better LT and a healthy WR 2 and easily could be a win. Also another missed kick.

Point being it’s hard to reconcile “this team is in an inescapable pit of despair” with the above facts. Also all of that is with a head coach we all agree is not good.

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