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re: Derek Carr Effect
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:37 am to paulbeasy
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:37 am to paulbeasy
quote:
What a fricking idiot.
Hey dude, how many points a team scores is a pretty important and measured stat.
But it's too influenced on things that have nothing to do with the offense. Defense and special teams influence scoring offenses severely, which takes away from the offense's influence.
Nobody worth anything uses scoring offense as a primary (or hell, even secondary) tool to judge offenses.
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
I'll take points. Point differential. Def. and Off..
The last 4 teams in playoffs are all top 8 in scoring off and Def points allowed.
The top half in this is where the vast majority of playoff teams came from. Strangely one team near the top of this stat didn't make the playoffs. That would be the NOS.
statmuse 2023 points
The last 4 teams in playoffs are all top 8 in scoring off and Def points allowed.
The top half in this is where the vast majority of playoff teams came from. Strangely one team near the top of this stat didn't make the playoffs. That would be the NOS.
statmuse 2023 points
Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:59 am to redneck
Carr is a loser and anyone suggesting otherwise is a loser themselves.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:10 pm to Damone
quote:
is a loser themselves.
Boy that seems a little harsh
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:11 pm to goatmilker
Some people take this way too serious.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:32 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
We were down 27-3 vs the Vikings when Carr got concussed and 33-21 vs the Lions when he got hurt
Both games the defense was absolutely dog shite and let them score almost every possession at the beginning. The early int against the lions was from Juwan Johnson not catching an easy throw. Carr did look good the second half of the lions game and I think we were in at least fg range when he got hurt. Vikings game he was shite along with the entire offense.
This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:32 pm to goatmilker
High Scoring and positive point differential usually correlates to wins and playoffs. One must ask themselves what happened here? Oldest, most experienced team in the league vs the softest schedules, littering with bad teams with bad QBs. In a minute, you’re going to hear the rest of the story
+105 in four games vs Mac Jones, Bryce Young, Devito and Ridder
+32 in the other 5 wins
-62 in your losses
These cumulative, counting stats that are being cited do not make this season any easier to digest. It actually amplifies the problems
+105 in four games vs Mac Jones, Bryce Young, Devito and Ridder
+32 in the other 5 wins
-62 in your losses
These cumulative, counting stats that are being cited do not make this season any easier to digest. It actually amplifies the problems
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
That patriots game for example
Posted on 1/28/24 at 1:36 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:
Both games the defense was absolutely dog shite and let them score almost every possession at the beginning. The early int against the lions was from Juwan Johnson not catching an easy throw. Carr did look good the second half of the lions game and I think we were in at least fg range when he got hurt. Vikings game he was shite along with the entire offense.
13 possessions, 1 TD in the first half of those two games
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:08 pm to redneck
Doesn't help that the defense stunk against the run (22nd). The offense also stunk running the ball (21st). Kamara is slowly becoming less worth what he is being paid.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:29 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:So you agree with me then. I mean, your repeated, in your own words, what I said. Weird post.
GB, sure
We were down 27-3 vs the Vikings when Carr got concussed and 33-21 vs the Lions when he got hurt
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:56 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
These cumulative, counting stats that are being cited do not make this season any easier to digest. It actually amplifies the problems
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:00 pm to BRL79
quote:
That means the rest of the NFC South had roughly the same schedule. What were their offensive rankings?
ETA:
Saints: 41 total offensive tds
Bucs: 36 total offensive tds
Falcons: 31 total offensive tds
Panthers: 20 total offensive tds
Well with a stat like that, surely we won the division.....right?
quote:
For fun,
Chiefs: 37 total offensive tds
For fun, which team is still playing.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:05 pm to GynoSandberg
I mean it was clear the Saints just couldn't beat any good teams this yr.
That was an overall team/coaching issue. I'm not saying Carr wasn't at fault, cause he was.
That was an overall team/coaching issue. I'm not saying Carr wasn't at fault, cause he was.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:14 pm to AFtigerFan
quote:.
So you agree with me then. I mean, your repeated, in your own words, what I said. Weird post
You said he was knocked out of 3 games, all losses, insinuating we lost bc he left the game? Pardon me if that’s not how it’s supposed to read
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:20 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
I mean it was clear the Saints just couldn't beat any good teams this yr.
That was an overall team/coaching issue. I'm not saying Carr wasn't at fault, cause he was.
This is correct. There were failures up and down the team this year. But that doesn't take away that we paid $30 million for someone only marginally better than what Andy Dalton gave us in 2022 at $4 million.
Carr
Comp %: 68.4
QBR: 56.7
Dalton:
Comp %: 66.7
QBR: 53.1
Carr had Mike Thomas nearly the entire season why Dalton had him for 3 games. It's very much OK to not be happy with that ROI.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:21 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
You said he was knocked out of 3 games, all losses, insinuating we lost bc he left the game? Pardon me if that’s not how it’s supposed to read
I took it as him using that as a reason for loss as well. Starting pitchers get recorded for a loss when they exit a game while losing.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:41 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Here’s what I said. I do believe we would have won the Green Bay game. If it looked like I was insinuating something else, then my bad. I thought it was clear.
He was knocked out of 3 games… all losses. I believe we would have won the Green Bay game
My point was we would have been a playoff team, and because of that, I’m not ready to write Carr off yet.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 3:47 pm to AFtigerFan
quote:
Here’s what I said. I do believe we would have won the Green Bay game. If it looked like I was insinuating something else, then my bad. I thought it was clear.
You should have left off the other two games, then.
quote:
My point was we would have been a playoff team, and because of that, I’m not ready to write Carr off yet.
I'm not completely writing him off as a failure.....but I am saying that paying $26 million more for a QB for the same results as last year is a failure. Dalton was also a game away from the playoffs last season.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 4:04 pm to pankReb
quote:
not completely writing him off as a failure.....but I am saying that paying $26 million more for a QB for the same results as last year is a failure. Dalton was also a game away from the playoffs last season.
Wasn't Dalton playing for Payton?
Didn't Payton make jameis look like less of a gunslinger with a 12/3 td/int ratio.
This is stupid to fight about. Carr will be here next year.
Carr will never be a top qb. He gets scared in the pocket and has happy feet. He will never be able to fix those problems.
Just watch carr's feet.
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