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re: Defensive Coordinator Radar
Posted on 1/26/13 at 3:34 pm to blueslover
Posted on 1/26/13 at 3:34 pm to blueslover
I realize many of you haven't been exposed to him as a coach, but you'd be idiots to want Singletary as DC.
He's a cheerleader position coach and his tenure as HC exposed him as being completely inept when it comes to Xs and Os. The articles towards the end of his tenure in SF were brutal as to how stupid he was when it came to understanding the game. He basically lost complete respect of everyone in the organization. Don't take my word for it, read what the beat writers put out.
If you want him to lead your LBers and toughen people up, go get him to do that. If you want a rah rah guy to fire people up, go for it.
If you want him to design and implement a new defense with below-average personnel, the 2012 Saints' historic season would be wiped from the record books rather quickly. Oh and don't let him get involved in personnel decisions, or he'll pitch a tantrum to get the FO to draft a Taylor Mays in the 2nd round, well before he should have gone, who'll last all of one season before the next coach cleans up his shite.
There's a reason no one has come calling for him since being fired. He is destined to finish his coaching career as a position coach. If not for him being friends with Frazier he might not have any job. He's basically the assistant LB coach in Minny to boot. Realistically your organization is far too smart to hire him, but for those of you clamoring for him, take a few to read up on how badly he was exposed. Be sure to research his love of "film" and the running gag that became too.
Now Tomsula's a good guy and well loved. The question is whether or not he has the pedigree to run an NFL defense. Before he got to the Niners the only experience he had was in NFL Europe. He's a sensational line coach but hardly a certainty for a guy to come in and build a defense from scratch having never done it before. I would think Payton would want a more sure thing.
at Fangio.
He's a cheerleader position coach and his tenure as HC exposed him as being completely inept when it comes to Xs and Os. The articles towards the end of his tenure in SF were brutal as to how stupid he was when it came to understanding the game. He basically lost complete respect of everyone in the organization. Don't take my word for it, read what the beat writers put out.
If you want him to lead your LBers and toughen people up, go get him to do that. If you want a rah rah guy to fire people up, go for it.
If you want him to design and implement a new defense with below-average personnel, the 2012 Saints' historic season would be wiped from the record books rather quickly. Oh and don't let him get involved in personnel decisions, or he'll pitch a tantrum to get the FO to draft a Taylor Mays in the 2nd round, well before he should have gone, who'll last all of one season before the next coach cleans up his shite.
There's a reason no one has come calling for him since being fired. He is destined to finish his coaching career as a position coach. If not for him being friends with Frazier he might not have any job. He's basically the assistant LB coach in Minny to boot. Realistically your organization is far too smart to hire him, but for those of you clamoring for him, take a few to read up on how badly he was exposed. Be sure to research his love of "film" and the running gag that became too.
Now Tomsula's a good guy and well loved. The question is whether or not he has the pedigree to run an NFL defense. Before he got to the Niners the only experience he had was in NFL Europe. He's a sensational line coach but hardly a certainty for a guy to come in and build a defense from scratch having never done it before. I would think Payton would want a more sure thing.
at Fangio.This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 4:02 pm
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Posted on 1/26/13 at 5:44 pm to blueslover
PFT reports the Saints have "more interest" in Romeo Crennel than Eric Mangini for their defensive-coordinator vacancy. This piggybacks an early Adam Schefter report that indicated both Crennel and Mangini could wind up with the Saints. Mangini hasn't been on a sideline in two years, so Crennel could be a short-term solution while Mangini eases into the long-term coordinator job. They are both career proponents of the 3-4.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 11:45 am to 504hornets
Listening to Mangini on ESPN, he seems to be a real X's and O's type guy.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:05 am to High C
not a Peter King but he's going Crennel via twitter
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:24 am to blueslover
You may be right but why wait? Wouldn't it be smarter to grab him asap to begin the planning and scouting rather than wait. I've read that Crennel is still being paid by KC(not sure of truth) but f true Payton is either waiting for that situation to play out OR waiting for his choice to finish with the Superbowl (Ed Donatell).
Posted on 1/28/13 at 11:43 am to rantfan
quote:
Singletary don't take no shite
Just like Spagnuolo.
I was thinking Singletary too....It could help the linebackers.
This post was edited on 1/28/13 at 11:44 am
Posted on 1/28/13 at 3:24 pm to Duck enticer
Romeo is taking a mental break after what happen in Kc so I think what Payton is doing waiting after Super Bowl to give him some time to consider coaching again.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 3:27 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
Maybe he jumped in too fast on Spags last season without exploring other options and decided that hiring Romeo right now would be a mistake. Maybe he wants to interview some 9er or Raven assistants after the Super Bowl to make sure he has they right guy.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 9:31 am to SaintEB
quote:
Maybe he jumped in too fast on Spags last season without exploring other options and decided that hiring Romeo right now would be a mistake. Maybe he wants to interview some 9er or Raven assistants after the Super Bowl to make sure he has they right guy.
This. I think he wants to get it right. I believe he knows he cannot win another Superbowl unless he rights the sinking ship that is the defense. He knows the strength of NFL defenses today are primarily 3-4 and he wants that on his team to compliment this offense. The next 5-6 years will be interdasting to say the least.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 12:51 pm to whodatfan
Payton is such an offensive mastermind that I think he wants a autonomous DC. One that he can hand off to and not even worry about. GW started that way but the talk of him going rogue certainly sounds truer the more we hear.
With a season off I think he got to really study defenses, trends, and personnel more than ever. The 3-4 wasn't just an excuse to can Spags. The personnel potential there is apparent. Third time (for DC) is a charm!
With a season off I think he got to really study defenses, trends, and personnel more than ever. The 3-4 wasn't just an excuse to can Spags. The personnel potential there is apparent. Third time (for DC) is a charm!
Posted on 1/29/13 at 12:57 pm to RemouladeSawce
quote:Totally agree on Singletary.
Rockyn
Posted on 1/29/13 at 2:16 pm to Jamohn
Ed Donatell story
Though Donatell ran 4-3 defenses in Green Bay and Atlanta, he said he's now a 3-4 guy through and through. It seems likely the Eagles are going to move to a 3-4, which was what Kelly's Oregon teams used.
"I'm a 3-4 coach now. There's no question about it," Donatell said. " I just think there's more combinations you can do, and there's more flexibility to it." Donatell worked as a senior advisor to the Jets, who ran a 3-4, then spent two years in Denver in a 3-4 before coming to the 49ers, who also employ that scheme.
"I went and did some extra studying, my masters work, learning from some really good guys," said Donatell, who said he knows Kelly from a visit Kelly made to the Niners. Donatell sounded very much like someone who would like to have a crack at running his own 3-4.
Though Donatell ran 4-3 defenses in Green Bay and Atlanta, he said he's now a 3-4 guy through and through. It seems likely the Eagles are going to move to a 3-4, which was what Kelly's Oregon teams used.
"I'm a 3-4 coach now. There's no question about it," Donatell said. " I just think there's more combinations you can do, and there's more flexibility to it." Donatell worked as a senior advisor to the Jets, who ran a 3-4, then spent two years in Denver in a 3-4 before coming to the 49ers, who also employ that scheme.
"I went and did some extra studying, my masters work, learning from some really good guys," said Donatell, who said he knows Kelly from a visit Kelly made to the Niners. Donatell sounded very much like someone who would like to have a crack at running his own 3-4.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 2:48 pm to blueslover
I never got how a DC can be so married to a particular scheme. Shouldn't most of them be able to run either one depending on personnel?
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:06 pm to motorbreath
TP story interviewing Donatell & Tomsula. Specific questions about the Saints.
Tomsula added: "Everybody wants to categorize defenses with the big buzz words, 4-3, 3-4, bah, bah. You look at Dallas' 3-4 vs. the Texans' 3-4 vs. the Steelers' 3-4 vs. the Niners' 3-4 vs. the Green Bay Packers' 3-4 vs. the San Diego Chargers. Everything is a little different. ... The whole magic with the whole thing is how does it work with the players that you have. Obviously, you watch that with the Saints all the time. Their offense runs by the people that they have. When they add a new component, things change a little bit to work around that guy. So how do I put the pieces together in the puzzle to make it work."
Last year: Do your job
Now: Put it together
Tomsula added: "Everybody wants to categorize defenses with the big buzz words, 4-3, 3-4, bah, bah. You look at Dallas' 3-4 vs. the Texans' 3-4 vs. the Steelers' 3-4 vs. the Niners' 3-4 vs. the Green Bay Packers' 3-4 vs. the San Diego Chargers. Everything is a little different. ... The whole magic with the whole thing is how does it work with the players that you have. Obviously, you watch that with the Saints all the time. Their offense runs by the people that they have. When they add a new component, things change a little bit to work around that guy. So how do I put the pieces together in the puzzle to make it work."
Last year: Do your job
Now: Put it together
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:33 pm to blueslover
If you can take a talented coach from a defense you have trouble with who just happens to be coaching in the title game perhaps that is worth waiting for.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 12:39 am to goatmilker
I like Tomsula more and more everytime I think about this. Especially considering he seems to have figured out how our offense works 
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:28 am to josh336
1.Tomsula
2.Donatell
3.Crennel
4.Mangini
There is no reason we shouldnt be a dominate defense next year. As much as people wanna say we dont have the talent, that's BS.... we are a lockdown CB (Revis, but too much $$) and cover safety away (Chad Jones... WHO???....Chad Jones... WHO???)...
Wilson, Cassillas, Lofton, and Vilma/Hawthorne ...new age DOME PATROL
2.Donatell
3.Crennel
4.Mangini
There is no reason we shouldnt be a dominate defense next year. As much as people wanna say we dont have the talent, that's BS.... we are a lockdown CB (Revis, but too much $$) and cover safety away (Chad Jones... WHO???....Chad Jones... WHO???)...
Wilson, Cassillas, Lofton, and Vilma/Hawthorne ...new age DOME PATROL
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:40 am to TwoDatBait
Buddy, I like your positive thinking, but pump the breaks. Besides, Casillas is a free agent, and I doubt he comes back. He was a bit lite in the arse for the 4-3. I don't see where he would fit in the 3-4.
Posted on 1/31/13 at 7:35 pm to Patrick O Rly
new names in the mix-
Niners linebackers coach Jim Leavitt
It’s hard to argue with the job Leavitt has done with the Niners’ linebacking corps, but it also doesn’t hurt when you have linebackers like Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman and Aldon Smith.
It’s also probably not a coincidence, though, that Bowman has become a major factor in the last two seasons under Leavitt’s tutelage. And it’s also probably not a coincidence how Smith wasn’t a stand-up linebacker in college, and yet has become a premier pass rusher right away with Leavitt’s help. Leavitt is only in his second season in San Francisco after spending the previous 13 seasons as South Florida’s head coach.
Ravens linebacker coach Ted Monachino
Baltimore defensive coordinator Dean Pees said Monachino is “absolutely” ready to become a defensive coordinator in the NFL, telling the Baltimore Sun, “He knows the (3-4) scheme from front to back and knows a lot of the game, not just his position. He knows the entire front and how the coverages coordinate with the front. Tremendous coach."
Monachino is in his first year as the Ravens linebackers coach after serving as the team’s outside linebackers coach for the previous two seasons. Before Monachino joined the Ravens, he spent four seasons in a variety of roles in Jacksonville eventually ending up the defensive line coach for two seasons. He, like Donatell, has been linked as a candidate for the Eagles defensive coordinator position.
Browns linebackers coach Billy Davis
Davis may seem like a name out of left field, but a league source said his name has been passed on to the Saints as someone the team should take a look at in the process. Davis has reportedly already interviewed for the Eagles defensive coordinator position so he’s drawing attention.
Davis has twice served as a defensive coordinator in the NFL – Arizona (2009-2010) and San Francisco (2005-2006). Obviously, Davis is someone who knows and understands a 3-4 defensive scheme. Davis has been the linebackers coach in Cleveland the past two seasons.
And the wild card … former Cowboys defensive coordinator Rob Ryan
It can’t be a good sign for Ryan to have landed the Rams defensive coordinator job and then the team essentially said, ‘Whoops! We made a mistake,” as St. Louis withdrew the offer. Ryan is a known commodity, hence, why Saints fans continue to bring up his name in the Saints defensive coordinator conversation. Ryan is probably a longshot to land the Saints job.
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Niners linebackers coach Jim Leavitt
It’s hard to argue with the job Leavitt has done with the Niners’ linebacking corps, but it also doesn’t hurt when you have linebackers like Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman and Aldon Smith.
It’s also probably not a coincidence, though, that Bowman has become a major factor in the last two seasons under Leavitt’s tutelage. And it’s also probably not a coincidence how Smith wasn’t a stand-up linebacker in college, and yet has become a premier pass rusher right away with Leavitt’s help. Leavitt is only in his second season in San Francisco after spending the previous 13 seasons as South Florida’s head coach.
Ravens linebacker coach Ted Monachino
Baltimore defensive coordinator Dean Pees said Monachino is “absolutely” ready to become a defensive coordinator in the NFL, telling the Baltimore Sun, “He knows the (3-4) scheme from front to back and knows a lot of the game, not just his position. He knows the entire front and how the coverages coordinate with the front. Tremendous coach."
Monachino is in his first year as the Ravens linebackers coach after serving as the team’s outside linebackers coach for the previous two seasons. Before Monachino joined the Ravens, he spent four seasons in a variety of roles in Jacksonville eventually ending up the defensive line coach for two seasons. He, like Donatell, has been linked as a candidate for the Eagles defensive coordinator position.
Browns linebackers coach Billy Davis
Davis may seem like a name out of left field, but a league source said his name has been passed on to the Saints as someone the team should take a look at in the process. Davis has reportedly already interviewed for the Eagles defensive coordinator position so he’s drawing attention.
Davis has twice served as a defensive coordinator in the NFL – Arizona (2009-2010) and San Francisco (2005-2006). Obviously, Davis is someone who knows and understands a 3-4 defensive scheme. Davis has been the linebackers coach in Cleveland the past two seasons.
And the wild card … former Cowboys defensive coordinator Rob Ryan
It can’t be a good sign for Ryan to have landed the Rams defensive coordinator job and then the team essentially said, ‘Whoops! We made a mistake,” as St. Louis withdrew the offer. Ryan is a known commodity, hence, why Saints fans continue to bring up his name in the Saints defensive coordinator conversation. Ryan is probably a longshot to land the Saints job.
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Posted on 1/31/13 at 7:40 pm to blueslover
Buddy of mine's wife is good friends with Del Rio's daughter, and he apparently just bought a place in NOLA (mansion from what i'm told). If that means anything.
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