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re: Cris Carter admits to placing bounties on players throughout his career
Posted on 5/9/12 at 10:59 am to shel311
Posted on 5/9/12 at 10:59 am to shel311
And that's another fundamental argument of this whole "ordeal". Is "Pay for XXX (anything)" legal in the NFL?
Carter was defending the Saints in the sense that "pay for whatever" schemes have been around forever. However, he was not defending the act of targetting specific players.
Me, personally - my argument is the same. Do I get bothered by "pay for performance" type incentives, absolutely not. Do I think it's morally/ethically and against NFL rules to try and get a QB carted off of the field - YEP.
That's where my line is and I think SOME (mainly Vilma) players on the Saints crossed that line. Not all are guilty.
Carter was defending the Saints in the sense that "pay for whatever" schemes have been around forever. However, he was not defending the act of targetting specific players.
Me, personally - my argument is the same. Do I get bothered by "pay for performance" type incentives, absolutely not. Do I think it's morally/ethically and against NFL rules to try and get a QB carted off of the field - YEP.
That's where my line is and I think SOME (mainly Vilma) players on the Saints crossed that line. Not all are guilty.
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Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:01 am to DoubleDown
That still doesn't explain your stance that paying to take a player off the field is not the same intent as paying to take a player off the field. 
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:06 am to DoubleDown
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That's where my line is and I think SOME (mainly Vilma) players on the Saints crossed that line. Not all are guilty.
I agree that that's stepping across the line, but I haven't seen any proof that occurred.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:10 am to Patrick O Rly
quote:The thing is, and maybe I'm misreading what he is saying but I don't think so, he is saying that IS stepping across the line.
I agree that that's stepping across the line
But paying to injure a guy under the guise of being protected from that guy is NOT stepping across the line.
It's the same exact thing, the intent is to injure a dude and get paid doing so.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:23 am to DoubleDown
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Do I think it's morally/ethically and against NFL rules to try and get a QB carted off of the field - YEP.
well then you must hate football...every defensive player in the history of pro football is trying to get the opposing qb out of the game...on every single play...FACT
Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:25 am to St Augustine
quote:Since the beginning of time...
well then you must hate football...every defensive player in the history of pro football is trying to get the opposing qb out of the game...on every single play...FACT
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:05 pm to DoubleDown
"pay for cart offs" like the Saints are accused of.
Evidence?
Evidence?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:14 pm to DoubleDown
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Paying to have someone watch your back is different than targetting a QB or RB which Greg Williams is recorded saying.
Argue with me all you want. Doesn't make you/it any less wrong.
True but where is the evidence of the players participating in the pay for injury? Where is the evidence that Sean Payton and Loomis knew of and lied about a pay for injury program opposed to a pay for performance program.
You are correct. There is a very distinct difference. They are guilty of pay for performance program...where's the evidence of pay for injury other than Gregg Williams running his dumbass mouth? If they did it, then ok...show the evidence that warrants such extreme punishments.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:30 pm to s_i5
Please find me one dirty play Vilma was involved in ON THE FIELD.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:43 pm to Fun Bunch
Thing is, it's slightly different than the way it reads. In an interview on ESPN radio, Carter said that when players would threaten to injure him or end his career, he would go to the O-lineman and tell them "Hey, look out for so & so. He's looking to get me. Gonna be some food money for ya."
Not like carter was sitting at home plotting to blow out knees because he's a douche. He just wanted to make sure the threats he received weren't executed.
Not like carter was sitting at home plotting to blow out knees because he's a douche. He just wanted to make sure the threats he received weren't executed.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:56 pm to dcrews
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dcrews
Right. And that's all I was really trying to get at - is that it's not like Carter was defending the Saints from their accusations.
Actually - all of this is sort of a side topic to the fact that I think the Saints got slammed because they were warned once and continued the bounty system like the NFL warnings never mattered. I truly believe had GW left a year before or they simply squashed the bounty system when they were warned - this would be a non-discussion.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 12:56 pm to Me
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Please find me one dirty play Vilma was involved in ON THE FIELD.
EXACTLY. Find me one his entire career at New Orleans.. hell find me one his entire NFL playing career. Just one.
I think he has had maybe 1 personal foul a season.. if that. I can only think of one hit on a qb he was called for.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:03 pm to beauchristopher
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EXACTLY. Find me one his entire career at New Orleans.. hell find me one his entire NFL playing career. Just one.
I think he has had maybe 1 personal foul a season.. if that. I can only think of one hit on a qb he was called for.
I give up. Some of you guys are blind to why the punishments were handed down or just want to be homers.
I'll repeat - it wasn't any specific play(s) on the field that got the punishments. It's the fact that you were found/caught with a bounty system, warned, and continued to operate without regard to those warnings. That's why certain people got slammed.
The only credible argument the Saints org and fans have is that they SHOULD be allowed to see the evidence. I agree with that...
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:05 pm to beauchristopher
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I think the Saints got slammed because they were warned once and continued the bounty system like the NFL warnings never mattered
So Scott Fujita ignored the warnings and kept it going while with Cleveland in 2010 and 2011?? Just one of many inconsistencies in this whole clusterf*@k.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:10 pm to Fun Bunch
awesome!!!!
This clears the Saints IMO
This clears the Saints IMO
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:12 pm to DoubleDown
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The only credible argument the Saints org and fans have is that they SHOULD be allowed to see the evidence. I agree with that...
That's not the only one.
Another one is the NFL trying to frame the Saints as going after other players to injure them when in fact they just had a pool of money for big plays.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:15 pm to stapuffmarshy
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awesome!!!!
This clears the Saints IMO
Who said it did?
But continue being one of the worst posters on this entire website, which is a true accomplishment.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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one of the worst posters on this entire website
nah you've won that with your evidence threads every 10 minutes
go start another whining thread why don't you?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:23 pm to stapuffmarshy
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nah you've won that with your evidence threads every 10 minutes
Please show me a thread started by me every 10 minutes.
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go start another whining thread why don't you?
Evidence?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 1:25 pm to stapuffmarshy
The MSB is calling.
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